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First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics)
    #8301122 - 04/18/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Is this normal to have this many pins/fruits on the very first flush? 

Does that mean I won't have a good second flush?

This is awsome & I'm not counting the small knots turning into pins either.

I love this hobby!:cheer:












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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301145 - 04/18/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

My FC & other equip.
Temps hovers between 72-78'F
Humidity constant at 95%

Injecting 10cc sterilized water in the 1 pint cakes
Injecting 5cc sterilzed water in the 1/2 pint cakes

2 Humidity & AirExchangers. 1 homemade & other bought from Petco.







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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301152 - 04/18/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, nice setup. 5 for you!!!!!

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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: PsillyPsybo]
    #8301162 - 04/18/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Congrats on the first grow!

It is normal to have tons of pins - many of which never fully mature (harvest those! they are called aborts and are quite potent).

It is entirely possible that your second flush will be quite (pardon the pun) fruitful too. I would recommend injecting sterile potato dextrose water instead of just sterile water since it will give the cakes additional nutrients to work with.

Like I said though, nice first grow!


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: amanitavirosa]
    #8301184 - 04/18/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Congrats on the first grow!

It is normal to have tons of pins - many of which never fully mature (harvest those! they are called aborts and are quite potent).

It is entirely possible that your second flush will be quite (pardon the pun) fruitful too. I would recommend injecting sterile potato dextrose water instead of just sterile water since it will give the cakes additional nutrients to work with.

Like I said though, nice first grow!




Sterile potato dextrose?
I've read over and over on this site and no one ever mentioned that. I'm gonna have to give that a try.

Obtainable at a regular grocery store?

The aborts turn a different color correct? (before they rott)

Thanks for the good feedback!


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301190 - 04/18/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Also, its best to pick right as the veil breaks or right after ?

I've heard both ways.

Can I keep my lighting cycle even those have already started fruiting?
My other cakes still need the light...


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301266 - 04/18/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Sterile potato dextrose?
I've read over and over on this site and no one ever mentioned that.  I'm gonna have to give that a try.

Obtainable at a regular grocery store?

The aborts turn a different color correct? (before they rott)

Thanks for the good feedback!




To make your own potato dextrose water (great for petri plates and liquid culture media) you do the following:

  • scrub, but and boil two average potatoes (250g total mass) in 1L of water for 30mins
  • strain the potato water, collecting the liquid only (filtering is a good idea)
  • add water to collected potato water to make 1L (some evaporated off, etc)
  • add 40g of dextrose (available at brewing stores) to potato water
  • pour solution into a 1L mason jar with a self-healing lid (silicone compound covering a single hole in the lid - use a blob on both sides of the hole)
  • pressure cook for 1h at 15psi
  • allow to cool to room temperature and tighten lid


Aborts do all kinds of things to show you they are not going to grow any larger. The most obvious aside from lack of growth (which should be very fast for healthy non-aborts) is the change in colour (darkens).

As for the age-old question as to when to harvest? I personally harvest just as (or before) the veil breaks. I have tons of scientific data for related strains and growth patterns which suggest alkaloid production sharply declines as maturation reaches gill-forming stage.

But .. people will always debate that one :eek:

Think of it as picking them when the rate of alkaloid increase reaches its asymptote. :cool:


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: amanitavirosa]
    #8301317 - 04/18/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yea I think I'll pick before they reach gill forming.
They look cooler anyways :thumbup:

Thanks for the potato solution.  I'm gonna try that on my next cakes.

Ever thought of using that when you mix the BRF + vermiculite instead of regular water??


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301335 - 04/18/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Yea I think I'll pick before they reach gill forming.
They look cooler anyways :thumbup:

Thanks for the potato solution.  I'm gonna try that on my next cakes.

Ever thought of using that when you mix the BRF + vermiculite instead of regular water??




Well, the gills are forming as the cap forms, I just meant to say that you want to pick them before the mushroom diverts most of its energy to spore production and dissemination.

No prob. for the formula! Another good media is malt extract - go to a brewing store and get extra light malt powder and use 4g per 100mL water (oe 40g for 1L).

I personally use the potato water as my spore-syringe solution in place of water and find I get quicker, more broad initial colonization. I have never substituted the potato water for regular water during the substrate hydration phase of jar prep. I thought about it but didn't want to encourage early contamination (which is more likely since the liquid media is very favourable to fungal and bacterial growth). I have however injected the potato water into dry (stalled) incubating cakes with favourable results.


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301338 - 04/18/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nice....very nice!!!  good job!  and that is one hell of a setup that you have!! i am impressed!:sexysmile::omg::yourock:

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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: amanitavirosa]
    #8301378 - 04/18/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Snowmansdsm09 said:
Yea I think I'll pick before they reach gill forming.
They look cooler anyways :thumbup:

Thanks for the potato solution.  I'm gonna try that on my next cakes.

Ever thought of using that when you mix the BRF + vermiculite instead of regular water??




Well, the gills are forming as the cap forms, I just meant to say that you want to pick them before the mushroom diverts most of its energy to spore production and dissemination.

No prob. for the formula! Another good media is malt extract - go to a brewing store and get extra light malt powder and use 4g per 100mL water (oe 40g for 1L).

I personally use the potato water as my spore-syringe solution in place of water and find I get quicker, more broad initial colonization. I have never substituted the potato water for regular water during the substrate hydration phase of jar prep. I thought about it but didn't want to encourage early contamination (which is more likely since the liquid media is very favourable to fungal and bacterial growth). I have however injected the potato water into dry (stalled) incubating cakes with favourable results.




Yea your probably right.  It would be stupid of me considering I lost a whole strain of G. Teachers to massive amounts of green mold.  Not just spots lol.

Since then I purchased a 22 quart Mirro pressure canner from a retired canner.  He hooked me up with a 6 layer food dehydrator and about $60 worth of 1 pint & 1/2 pints.  W/ 6 boxes of new lids.
Purchased the canner for 75$ and he threw in the rest.

So I'm less worried about contams now.  Considering using something other then BRF as well.  Not sure yet.

Thanks for those formulas, I think I'll use the potato one on my Ecuador's.  I'll be inoculating them soon.


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: rugergirl79]
    #8301381 - 04/18/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:drool2:
I gotta start doing this.
did you dunk & roll also or just injected?
congrats!


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: rugergirl79]
    #8301386 - 04/18/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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rugergirl79 said:
nice....very nice!!!  good job!  and that is one hell of a setup that you have!! i am impressed!:sexysmile::omg::yourock:




Thanks!  I feel like my setup is a bit scattered.  I would like one contained cabinet soon.  I'll be looking around home depot & lowes.  I know I can make a killer setup now that I kinda know what works and what doesn't for me.


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #8301417 - 04/18/08 03:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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tripleclick said:
:drool2:
I gotta start doing this.
did you dunk & roll also or just injected?
congrats!




honestly I didn't dunk near as long as other people, but I did use pretty cold water.  (Alaska tap water is cooold)
I dunked no more then 10 hours each cake.

I did roll them after being dunked but my verm is too coarse and doesn't stick well to the sides.  So the verm on the sides were very scattered.  The top and bottom were well covered though.

I keep the cakes on that grill piece because it keep the cakes about 1 inch off the clay.  My Hum/AirExch runs right underneath the grill, in the middle of the cakes.
I thought this would help w/ FAE being they are so close to it.

I only started injecting after I read Roadkills post about it.  I was feeling defeated due to many days on bluing and no pins.  I injected and the next day my scout pin came out.  After that, its gon completely mad.
I just spotted 4 more pins on that cake, & more knots are appearing.

Injecting works for me!  I stand behind it 100%

I'll also vouch for humidifier/air exchangers = life savers for when your at work.


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301436 - 04/18/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone think these would be ready for harvest by tomorrow night? Or am I stuck w/ my San Pedro tonight?


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8301449 - 04/18/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Some - may be ready tonight. You can prematurely harvest them but if I were you I would wait :cool:


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: amanitavirosa]
    #8301470 - 04/18/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe I'll hold off my trip night till tomorrow. I haven't had mushies for atleast 3 years now.

I better go get a scale!


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8302227 - 04/18/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hot damm that scale was expensive.

I was looking around at radio shack for computer fans & such. I don't know if I wanna even bother with a fan unless it was a super low rpm & cfm. ( I don't wanna lose humidity )

I believe my 2 Hum/AE's are bringing in enough air, but there is no way for me to truly test this.


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8302265 - 04/18/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

iFan (mini fan)

LMK what y'all think about this mini fan.  I'm not looking to pull too much air in and this fan looks like it would be perfect. 
I know it would take tons of batteries, but I think I would be able to solder a battery recharger straight to this?  I dunno electronics so someone warn me before I burn my house down.


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Re: First grow, First flush, 1 cake = 43 pins/fruits ! WOW! (w/ pics) [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8302318 - 04/18/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

BLUE LED FANS

Niiiiice


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    #8303051 - 04/19/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)








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Re: UPDATE!!! [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8303067 - 04/19/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Haha, it seems that counting pins is the newest trend in the mushroom cultivating community :smile:.

The result is nice, anyway!

Due to the bluing, it seems you either handled your cakes a little too rough, or your humidity is too low.

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Re: UPDATE!!! [Re: Fahkface]
    #8303071 - 04/19/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think I handled them too rough.
How can you not? Gloves?


My humidity is right at 95%, except for right now its sittin at 97%


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    #8303089 - 04/19/08 12:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Humidity in the mid to upper 90ies is fine, so that shouldn't be the problem.

Gloves don't protect the cakes from bruising, since it's the pressure of your fingers that causes it, which wouldn't decrease by using gloves.
The only way to prevent the bruising is not to tough them.

However, this issue is only important if it comes from a lack of humidity.

Nothing too bad about bruising caused by handling...

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Re: UPDATE!!! [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8303091 - 04/19/08 12:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I hope these are ready for harvest by tomorrow night


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Re: UPDATE!!! [Re: Fahkface]
    #8303098 - 04/19/08 12:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Humidity in the mid to upper 90ies is fine, so that shouldn't be the problem.

Gloves don't protect the cakes from bruising, since it's the pressure of your fingers that causes it, which wouldn't decrease by using gloves.
The only way to prevent the bruising is not to tough them.

However, this issue is only important if it comes from a lack of humidity.

Nothing too bad about bruising caused by handling...




Cool, good to know.
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