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 Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. 
#8281011 - 04/14/08 06:10 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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With a moniker like "Heads vs. Feds," it would be easy to make light of the marijuana legalization debate scheduled at Missouri State University tonight.
But members of the Student Activity Council, which organized the event, hope it does more than inspire pot puns or wagging fingers.
"Generally, when you get these things happening, you'll have a lot of people turn out in support for legalization of marijuana," said Gabriel Cassady, an MSU sophomore who serves on the committee that organized the debate.
"That's not the goal here," he said. "It's not to bash the federal government by any means. It's an intellectual debate."
Both sides of the marijuana issue will be represented, Cassady said.
Steven Hager, a marijuana advocate and editor of High Times magazine, will argue in favor of legalization, facing off with Bob Stutman, a former supervisor for the Drug Enforcement Administration in New York who's been called "the most famous narc in America."
The conversation is driven by audience questions, so Cassady hopes community members with a wide variety of viewpoints will attend.
"On a college campus, there's a lot of people that would probably support legalizing marijuana, but in the community as a whole, there's a lot of people who might oppose it," Cassady said. "It's important for the people of the community to be able to discuss these things intellectually and openly."
With combined enrollment of more than 35,000 students, Springfield's college campuses have a large effect on the city. But marijuana use is not simply a campus issue, Cassady said.
"It's a community and social issue, as well," he said. "So it's important for people in the community to turn out to support their viewpoint."
Cassady said he thinks the debate about marijuana legalization has evolved over the decades.
"In the '30s, '40s and '50s, right after the Marihuana Tax Act (of 1937), we had this view of marijuana where it was very much demonized -- it was called demon weed, reefer makes you crazy, 'Reefer Madness,' " he said. "A lot of that hype is gone, and we've really as a whole started to look at marijuana as a medicine and in terms of its use recreationally ...
"The more prevalent issues today are: Is it a gateway drug, does it lead to more harmful things, does it cause apathy? More societal issues."
The debates between Hager and Stutman have drawn large crowds at other college campuses, and Cassady expects high turnout at MSU, as well.
"I would like to see upwards of 500 people turn out to support their view," he said, noting that an earlier debate about pornography drew about that number. "I don't see any reason why this won't be absolutely packed, as well. We're expecting quite a crowd."
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8281513 - 04/14/08 10:16 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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this a great debate!! Us in norml here in town brought them to our U a few years ago. I went out to dinner with hager and stutman afterwards (brought hager back to the house to smoke a bowl with as well). Surprisingly stutman is actually a really chill dude. He told me he doesn't smoke pot because he's afraid he'll like it too much 
go if you can!
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: coda]
#8281752 - 04/14/08 11:03 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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coda ur in norml?
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: Coaster]
#8281756 - 04/14/08 11:05 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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been a member for a while now.
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To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . .
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i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*
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Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: coda]
#8281894 - 04/14/08 11:34 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I'm excited to go see this tonight at 7pm in our auditorium. It should be quite interesting. I might come back here afterwards and report back to you guys about it.
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: hockeyplyr1057]
#8281950 - 04/14/08 11:51 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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being as i only live 40 minutes from springfield, I may try to attend as well....but the chances arent great because of financial issues...If i had a ride....I always manage to have smoke even when I dont have money... =D
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: coda]
#8282015 - 04/14/08 12:15 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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coda said:
been a member for a while now.
thx 4 fighting our cause bro
if only there was a support our norml troops pin/ribbon i could wear
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: Coaster]
#8282036 - 04/14/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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someone should tape it
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: hockeyplyr1057]
#8282145 - 04/14/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I have about 30 questions that are impossible for a prohibitionist to answer without painting themselves in a corner.
1. As about 30% of Americans have tried some illegal drug in their lifetime, what would happen if we put 1/3 of America in prison?
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8282357 - 04/14/08 01:52 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Well according to NORML a marijuana user is arrested every 38 seconds. That's pretty startling, considering that those people are doing nothing to anyone but themselves.
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: mindspin]
#8282590 - 04/14/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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i might borrow my friends camera and tape it if im allowed to and then post it here
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: mindspin]
#8282762 - 04/14/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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mindspin said:
Well according to NORML a marijuana user is arrested every 38 seconds. That's pretty startling, considering that those people are doing nothing to anyone but themselves.
What are you talking about man?
When a marijuana hater looks at a smoke it really hurts their eyes, it's very harmful.
It's almost as harmful as it was when Nazi's had to look at Jews back in '45. Bush is a bright guy, he knows Hitler was on to something.
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: danlennon3]
#8282995 - 04/14/08 04:34 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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danlennon3 said:
someone should tape it
x10
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: ZoSo0987]
#8283161 - 04/14/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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someone let us know how it went. i am very interested.
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: t00th]
#8283586 - 04/14/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I watched an absolutely terrible debate between Ethan Nadelman and some other guy who didn't even have a reputation (or any credentials) in the field of drug policy. Needless to say it was a rather one sided debate. The debate should really address, not just legalization, but also drugs in a free society. We are responsible for all these chemicals we are creating and discovering, how do we control them in a humane, civil and responsible way? those kinds of issues. Surely it will be videotaped. I have a LOT of freinds that go to Springfield for school. If any of you live out that way go to Lambert's Cafe for me. God that place is sooooo goood. mmmmmm.
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#8287327 - 04/15/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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i have the majority of this taped, just gotta get it uploaded
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#8289676 - 04/15/08 11:55 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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So did anybody get video of this Debate?
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: ZoSo0987]
#8289818 - 04/16/08 12:34 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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i wanna see the video too
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: icanttype]
#8290830 - 04/16/08 09:52 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I have about 30 questions that are impossible for a prohibitionist to answer without painting themselves in a corner.
Nothing is impossible, stutman is a very intelligent speaker/debater. While i'd say almost all of us will disagree with his views he's actually a really nice guy. I was hating on him before i met him, but, after eating dinner with him i actually came to respect him a lot as a person. He sat there during his dinner answering 30 million questions being fired at him the entire meal. He treated us all with a lot of respect, didn't speak down to us, and didn't condemn us for our beliefs and choices.
So, while i may not agree with his views on drug laws, as a person i hold a lot of respect for mr. stutman. He answered a lot of tough questions like yours (i believe his response to your question was that no person should be jailed for simple possession and that he believes the majority of those in jail for drugs shouldn't be there) with highly intelligent responses that were not accusatory nor demeaning. In fact when a local whacko activist got up and started his rant hagar actually interrupted him and told him to shut up and act properly instead of a "burned out hippie spewing garbage from the mouth".
I'd go and see it again even though the debate has probably not changed much.
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To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . .
-JG
i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*
-A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Re: Marijuana law to be debated at MSU: High Times editor, former supervisor for DEA will argue. [Re: coda]
#8290844 - 04/16/08 09:57 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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thx 4 fighting our cause bro
if only there was a support our norml troops pin/ribbon i could wear
You're welcome! It's a lot of fun and i like a lot of the members in our chapter. We're collecting signatures for a new proposal to lower the priority on marijuana in town. Our groups president managed to get marijuana decriminalized in a town 40 mins north of us. He even got the mayor and his family to sign the petition! It was truly a nice victory for us, even though it's still technically illegal to buy and smoke pot in the town you only get a small fine equatable to a traffic ticket. The fine isn't too expensive either.
If you want to support NORML and the people who belong you can do a few things.
1.) Join up and fight with us
2.) Attend NORML sponsored events and donate or support the venue where it's being held
3.) Find NORML tables wherever they may be set up and buy some tshirts or posters. The money goes to great use and our chapter actually uses any spare cash we have to throw free concerts/events for anyone to attend
4.) Donate directly to NORML, every dollar counts!
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To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . .
-JG
i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*
-A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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