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SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL!
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In Canada

it's Christmas-time
watch those snow drifts mount!
Remember, if you're visiting
It's thought-crimes that count!


Thursday, December the 14th in the year 2000 marks yet another dark day in
Canadian History. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled not to hear Ernst
Zundel's application to stay the Security Intelligence Review Committee
(SIRC) tribunal to rule over if he is a security threat to Canada.

In Canada where absurdities rule, truth is no defence and you can be
deported for thought crimes, star cambers like SIRC and the "Human Rights"
Tribunal reign supreme.

According to Canada's "Political Police", the Canadian Security
Intelligence Service (CSIS), Ernst Zundel is a threat to Canada, not
because he has ever committed a crime in Canada, not because he has ever
threatened anybody, not because he has ever hurt anybody, BUT because he
happens to know people who may be "criminals". Among those cited as
vicious criminals Zundel associated with, are people like Ewald Althens.
His big crime? Bank Robberies? Murders? Assaults? Heck no, he was
convicted in the banana republic of Germany for THOUGHT CRIMES. But
remember in the La-La Land of Deutschland you can be convicted and sent to
jail for whistling "Nazi" songs while working in your garden, no joke!

Ernst Zundel, who has been in Canada for more than 40 years, was married to
a Canadian woman, has 2 kids here, employed dozens of Canadians, always
paid taxes here, never broke a law here, now has to suffer the indignity of
sitting at the SIRC hearings. And for "National Security" reasons, Zundel
is not allowed to know who is testifying against him, he is not allowed to
cross-examine the people who testify against him, he is not even allowed
to know what they say and what they accuse him of.

While the judge may not be named Alice, there can be no mistake this is
Wonderland. How can you defend yourself against accusations when you are
not even allowed to know what they are?

Canada has now fallen face first into the abyss of absurdity.

While they rake descent Canadians like Ernst Zundel over the coals,
Vietnamese Coke pushers in Calgary are welcomed with open arms. Multi-drug
resistant TB carriers in Hamilton, Toronto and Vancouver are welcomed with
open arms. Jamaican perverts who go to malls and masturbate in their cars
are welcomed with open arms. Fraudsters, liars, cheats, murderers, AIDS
patients, TB patients, all welcomed with open arms in Absurdistan.

But if you disagree on a lying version of your own people's history. You
must be stopped -- you must be deported!


As John Hay wrote in 1872, "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him
who resists it."

The evils of the Canadian tyranny are now open for all to see in Canada.
The underhanded persecution of his man for his Ideas. The Tribunals, the
Star Cambers, the bombings, the threats, the intimidation, the scheming of
the back-room parasites who work in the shadows have been illuminated. The
underbelly of the beast is now showing.


"...So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who
wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will
devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and
otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men."
- Voltaire


It is now the time to stand up against the tyrants! We must now make a
stand for freedom of expression in Canada.

"Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty", we must remain vigil and
protect freedom of speech at all costs.


WHAT CAN YOU DO?

Call, write, fax, E-Mail your Member of Parliament and complain about the
disgusting treatment handed down to Ernst Zundel.

Inform others to this major threat to freedom of speech.

Send donations and letters of support to Ernst Zundel. [Ernst Zundel, 206
Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5A 2L1] You can find out more about
Ernst Zundel at http://www.zundelsite.org



Do not be cowed into silence by the enemies of freedom. We must stand up
and protect our rights to speak, write and think whatever we want.



Thanks you very much;


-Marc Lemire
Freedom-Site Webmaster




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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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Hmmmm...he does a lot of talking but he hasn't said a thing...the impression I get from this is that Ernst
Zundel is a suspected Nazi sympathizer (of course that's just my take on it, since it doesn't really give too much info) and if he is, then what's the problem?


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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Even if he is, maybe you should worry more about his treatment than about passenger lists.

Get your own house in order before worrying about ours.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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you Canadians are beginning to make me feel superior


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms..you really are a piece of work. Somehow the world being lied to is less important than some Kraut that's getting kicked out of Canada? Please refrain from replying to my posts until you say something intelligent.


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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When you make a post I consider intelligent, I'll respond however you wish. Which leaves me free to respond at will.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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OK, let's fight nice here!

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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He's a holocaust denier.

If you want actual infomation about the case, and not more babble from online racist groups, check this out: http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/justice2000/132mile.html

To all you people that are siding with EvilBastard on anything, you should realize he's just posting outdated, or completely inaccurate links in an attempt to piss people off. He's a troll.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
    #828903 -

****To all you people that are siding with EvilBastard on anything, you should realize he's just posting outdated, or completely inaccurate links in an attempt to piss people off. He's a troll****

and that's any different from who now?


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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Oh, and ON TOP OF THAT... the conviction was overturned!?

Shame on Canada, what the hell are you even talking about? This case went to court, he received a fair trial, and fucking won!

Like I said, EvilBastard is a troll. Either that, or a complete moron.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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One more thing to add... this was in 1992. If you decide to send any donations now, you'll simply be funding a holocaust denier.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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i think he's just pointing out that your country is not perfect...that's how this started...


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #828979 -

Sure, no country is perfect. Maybe he should actually do some research before using out of date or inaccurate examples.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
    #829158 -

Sure, no country is perfect. Maybe he should actually do some research before using out of date or inaccurate examples.

Hmmm... "out of date" ... "old news".... "this happened ten years ago"...

This apparently only counts when Canada is being criticized. But if we're talking about the USA -- whoa! Different story! Everything from Viet Nam to slavery to the killing of Native Americans in the seventeenth century is fair game.

Can we say "hypocrisy"?

pinky


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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phred]
    #829577 -

i'm sensing a pattern here


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #829581 -

Indeed you are.

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phred]
    #829596 -

You forgot "inaccurate", and "defending nazis".
The guy posted an article complaining that Canada wasn't sending any troops to Afghanistan. We sent some already, the US dropped bombs on them.

The guy posted an article saying that a holocaust denier was being unfairly persecuted, the guy took his case to court and won. His arguments aren't even valid.

In Vietnam hundreds of thousands of people were killed, with slavery, thousands of people were stolen from their homeland to be forced laborours in the US, with the natives, again, hundreds of thousands killed.

With the one out of date incident he mentioned, a few Canadian soldier got beaten up by other Canadian soldiers, and were forced to eat shit. Maybe he also mentioned the incident where some Canadian soldiers beat up a Somali boy. Then our prime minister took a little bit too long to visit the WTC site, who fucking cares, visiting the site didn't bring anyone back anyways. Canada was fairly quick to decide they'd send in troops, the article he posted was published in late september, or october. Finally, he posts about a court case where the guy didn't even lose. Sure, there are things in Canada's history that are actually bad. I'll even post about them if you want, but this retard should look for good examples, not inaccurate and irrelevant ones.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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Louis Riel, I'll let you look up that name on your own.


Dudley George: This is a real bad one. The Ontario government still refuses to call an inquest into this guy's death.

http://www.web.net/~inquiry/facts.htm

Japanese internment camps: Yeah, we had 'em too.
http://www.yesnet.yk.ca/schools/projects/canadianhistory/camps/internment1.html

Ukranian Internment Camps: This one is pretty fuckin' shitty.
http://www.infoukes.com/history/internment/

Chinese labour: I can't quickly find anything on this... but it's out there, they worked like slaves on our railroads.

Alberta Sexual Sterilization Act: Forced sterilization of mental patients. There's probably a better link out there for this, find it yourself.
http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/justice2000/29mile.html

I'm sure there's more. EvilBastard is just too stupid to find anything good, that's what I could come up with in 10 minutes.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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****I'm sure there's more. EvilBastard is just too stupid to find anything good****

there, there..is that anyway for a MOD to act, personal attacks?


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Innvertigo]
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Yes.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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In reply to:
In Vietnam hundreds of thousands of people were killed, with slavery, thousands of people were stolen from their homeland to be forced laborours in the US, with the natives, again, hundreds of thousands killed.




What!!!!! We have Vietnamese slaves and no one told me? I want one (as long as she's good looking)

Or was that just a very poorly written sentence?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #830202 -

made sense to me, 2 different situations...Then again maybe I understand Canadian better than most...


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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The sentence contains less grammatical errors than your reply.

What!!!!! We have Vietnamese slaves and no one told me? I want one (as long as she's good looking)Punctuation?

Or was that just a very poorly written sentence? Starting a sentance with a conjunction?

Shame on you. :P


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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To all you people that are siding with EvilBastard on anything, you should realize he's just posting outdated, or completely inaccurate links in an attempt to piss people off. He's a troll.

Like I said, EvilBastard is a troll. Either that, or a complete moron.


Poor guy. It seems you don't understand the point of my posts. Innvertigo has explained it a few times already. iI'm not trying to piss people off, merely post the first attacks that pop up on a google search. You see, simple one, if you post every attack on America you come across and avoid talking about your own problems it is hypocritical and obsessive. It is in especially poor taste when the sources are biased anti-american websites, or sites ran by ufo freaks.


Maybe he should actually do some research before using out of date or inaccurate examples

ok, you're starting to understand.

You are too immature to understand my posts, so just keep ranting with the personal attacks MOD.

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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I just went to your website. Interesting that you have the humor to call me a moron.
I'm a member of Mensa. Maybe that's why you cannot understand my posts you are too inferior.


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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
    #830374 -

Having a high IQ means nothing...a "genius" such as yourself should know that.


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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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That was short, explain if you can.

And what exactly are your ufo beliefs?

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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What's up Rono? I saw you in Who's Online making a reply here then you left without leaving it.

Make a seperate thread for your ufo beliefs if necessary.

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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Meaning that just because you can solve a math problem or correctly predict the next number in a series of numbers does not necessarily mean you are smart...Einstein was considered as having a below average IQ.


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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In reply to:
What's up Rono? I saw you in Who's Online making a reply here then you left without leaving it


My Apologies...I also have a job to attend to in addition to debating on the shroomery.


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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I've read it was between 160 and 169. Average IQ for a white male is 100-110 depending on the source. Some say it was 240! What's your source?

Edited by EvilBastard (08/20/02 12:25 PM)

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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This is not political discussion. Please stay on topic, or take your fighting to another forum.

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Hugs and Kisses!

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Macey Howard]
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Damn right!

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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Average IQ is closer to 120 nowadays, genius. Mensa are a bunch of elitist pricks.

I've taken various online tests and my score ranges from 130-140, but those are all hasty, and they're bullshit.

"I just went to your website. Interesting that you have the humor to call me a moron." Please clarify... are you saying that the content of my website would indicate that I don't have a sense of humour? Your grasp of the english language is inferior.

"Poor guy. It seems you don't understand the point of my posts. Innvertigo has explained it a few times already. iI'm not trying to piss people off, merely post the first attacks that pop up on a google search. You see, simple one, if you post every attack on America you come across and avoid talking about your own problems it is hypocritical and obsessive. It is in especially poor taste when the sources are biased anti-american websites, or sites ran by ufo freaks."

Again, a fine example of the inability to properly form ideas in language. It took me three tries to make sense of it. Allow me to do some editing so that the other readers here don't need to hire a linguist.

"Poor guy. It seems you don't understand the point of my posts. Innvertigo has explained it a few times already. I'm not trying to piss people off. I'm merely posting the first articles that attack Canada that pop up on a google search. You see, simple one, if you post every article that blindly attacks America you come across, and avoid talking about the problems with your own country, it is hypocritical and obsessive. It is in especially poor taste when the sources are biased anti-american websites, or sites ran by ufo freaks."

See? It actually makes sense now.

I've never even posted any articles that were attacks on america, aside from a big long rant I made once explaining why america is socially putrid. I don't think I've posted any articles whatsoever in this forum.
The reason I don't attack Canada, is because they aren't leading a massive campaign against terror. The Americans are leading this thing, they're the ones bombing the hell out of Afghanistan, lots of other countries are involved, sure, but they wouldn't be if they weren't allied with the americans.

There are lots of aspects of Canadian politics I could discuss here, but I doubt that the majority of the people here would have any idea what I'm talking about. Since I get tons of american media I know about what's going on in the US as well. You Americans make posts about the US too, and we respond to that.

I might have gotten your point if the articles you posted were attacks on Canada as a whole, but they were mostly articles from the Canadian mainstream media, attacking certain politicians. There just aren't that many anti Canadian rants out there.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

Edited by Phluck (08/20/02 05:16 PM)

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Phluck]
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Average IQ is closer to 120 nowadays, genius

What's the source, what group gave the test?

Wish i could call you a genius, but you're an unemployed mod that makes personal attacks. Isn't that against shroomery rules? Then ban yourself, you attacked me first.


Please clarify... are you saying that the content of my website would indicate that I don't have a sense of humour? Your grasp of the english language is inferior.

Is it humor or can't you help it?

Again, a fine example of the inability to properly form ideas in language. It took me three tries to make sense of it. Allow me to do some editing so that the other readers here don't need to hire a linguist.

You were too dim to understand the intent of my actions before, so I'm happy to see you tried 3 times, but you are still lagging behind.

I am fluent in four languages (genius like you said) but i cannot dumb it down enough for you.
The fact that you attack how i write rather than concentrating on its meaning proves this.

I've never even posted any articles that were attacks on america,

That sentence was directed at those who do.

There are lots of aspects of Canadian politics I could discuss here, but I doubt that the majority of the people here would have any idea what I'm talking about. Since I get tons of american media I know about what's going on in the US as well. You Americans make posts about the US too, and we respond to that.

You should post them anyway. Our news media mentions canada maybe once a month.

Rono's cut and paste postings are too ridiculous sometimes; coming from sources which you expect at first glance to be Anti-AmericanOnion.com. I'll say again that the point of all this was to show postings should be from accurate, unbiased mainstream sources. You see know how people react when it is just mass attack postings. If this forum was at the discussion level of the cultivation forum it might accomplish something besides choosing sides and trading insults. Rono believes in his conspiracies and I'll leave him in that world.

I might have gotten your point if the articles you posted were attacks on Canada as a whole, but they were mostly articles from the Canadian mainstream media, attacking certain politicians. There just aren't that many anti Canadian rants out there.

It was simple cut and paste mass attack, the real intent was not to criticize canada. It was just mimicry.

Now that we have traded insults for a while let's try to keep it civil.

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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In reply to:
If this forum was at the discussion level of the cultivation forum it might accomplish something besides choosing sides and trading insults.


Ummm hello?...this is a political forum, of course there is going to be debates...that's what it is here for. I have yet to see anything on this board that isn't biased in one way or the other...


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

Edited by Rono (08/21/02 11:24 AM)

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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selemat pagi.

Debating doesn't have to be trading insults rono. You don't learn anything about the topic nor why someone holds a viewpoint opposed to yours by calling each other assholes.

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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: EvilBastard]
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I have never called anybody an asshole, and I refrain from trading insults unless I am personally insulted first...it's a shame that can't be said for everyone.


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Re: SHAME ON CANADA - FREE SPEECH IN PERIL! [Re: Rono]
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I didn't say you did rono, it was a point about insults.................

it's a shame that can't be said for everyone.

I agree.

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