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Re: bipolar mania [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8256343 - 04/08/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Kinda long and drawn out. Don't know if I agree.

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Re: bipolar mania [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8256497 - 04/08/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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There is no difference between being bipolar and experiencing what you experienced?




According to the medical community. Not me.




Well, as a member of the medical community, I feel there is a difference between what you went through and bipolar disorder.

I believe that mental health professionals do the best that they can with the information available to them. Often people become bitter if that isn't "good enough". That's life. We aim to improve it, but that is an ongoing process.


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Re: bipolar mania [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8256667 - 04/08/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

wow that was well worth watching!

Ive been planning a trip for a little while, and that just reminded me of alot of the stuff Id forgotten from my last trip. I was definitely a little too sure of myself :lol:.

Maybe all I need now is a :sun:

Thanks!


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Re: bipolar mania [Re: daytripper23]
    #8256722 - 04/08/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

'Well, as a member of the medical community, I feel there is a difference between what you went through and bipolar disorder.'

Right.

In one treatment facility a state psychiatrist came in and literally said, 'the gods have put you here because they know that work needs to be done here...'
The same day the MD monitoring meds came in and looked at the floor and said, 'those are just stories, people have been talking about the same things for ages...'
Then a nurse led us on a guided meditation after another drew a crude picture of the synapse and tried to imprint the 'chemical imbalance' idea like a Zoloft commercial.
The lady administering the meds looked me dead in the eye with a dixie cup full of pills and said with a fuckin :smirk: face, 'you must be good at swallowing things...' followed by 'back to your beasts...'

I was like...  Wait.  Just cut the head off the snake, alright??


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Re: bipolar mania [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8257575 - 04/08/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Psychiatry = Sales and Marketing department for Pharmaceutical companies


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Re: bipolar mania [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8259888 - 04/09/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This cat kinda makes me smile. Same guy.
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Re: bipolar mania [Re: prankster]
    #8268248 - 04/11/08 05:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The high-pitched, nasally, sing-song voice of the narrator is far to annoying to continue watching.
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Re: bipolar mania [Re: Kickle]
    #8276693 - 04/13/08 05:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Middleman said:
I think Watts summed it up very well way back when.

What we need is to develop a new vocabulary to describe these modalities...

'bi-polar' is just silly, everybody is bi-polar. :yinyang:




true enough, everyone is bipolar. I think the description comes from the fact that if we believe mania and depression to be on a continuum, a person can fall anywhere along that continuum at any given time, but, a person with bipolar disorder is seen as being drastically on either end at any given time. Not swinging slightly happier some days, and slightly sadder some days, but drastically to one end or the other of the continuum. Thus, they kind of comprise the poles.

I think the name is fitting myself.




I don't think that everyone is bipolar. I think that the majority of people experience a very diverse spectrum of varying emotional states...
What seems to be the essence of my own experience, is the intensity and speed of it. The ridiculous dizzying heights to the split second despair crashes. It can be tiring to say the least. :crazy:


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Re: bipolar mania [Re: figmentfragment]
    #8280344 - 04/13/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have to support what Backfromthedead is saying.

When I was 19 I experienced EXACTLY what the original video explained - some points in greater degrees than others.
This led to hospitalization followed by negative re-enforcement by doctors and medications with which I eventually went off against doctors orders.
Out of nowhere 6 years later a similar experience which after doing much studying and searching on the topic I was able to experience with comfort rather than fear..
Out of the knowing what to expect and process of psychiatry I felt compelled to seek help from doctors if only to help validate the experience - seeking to find answers knowing more on how to 'act' without being taken 'too' crazy.

This led to some interesting conversations with different types of people and allowed me to further expand my awareness on these types of experiences.

After experiencing two psychotic episodes both caused by anti depressants it was determined (6 years AFTER the original "Spiritual Emergency") that the REASON I was manic in the FIRST place was because of the anti-depressants, which lead to psychosis due to chemical imbalances - AKA: Taking the DOCTORS drugs is what screwed me up in the first place.
This is how doctors "know for sure" that someone is Bipolar - Antidepressants cause an upswing in mood which brings someone with 'potential' for bipolar to have a bipolar-1 manic episode which often results in psychosis when not handled properly.

These experiences though CAN be met with awareness of 'awareness' and controlled through training techniques which allow the experiencing body to use the sensations to the benefit of themselves, rather than letting it lead to destructive or otherwise disruptive behaviour.

Whether the belief can be made about the video speaking the truth or not - To those of you who think the guy is "joking" or "way off base", I ask you THIS:

How many of you have experienced EXACTLY what this video describes? How many of you are diagnosed Bipolar?

I experienced this type of spiritual emergency/awakening over 8 years ago now. It was February/March of 2000. 6 years later after taking prescribed medication I was brought back to this state of awareness, only recognizable and able to be dealt with. After seeking help I was diagnose bipolar-1 (as opposed to bipolar-2).

In Bipolar I disorder, an individual has experienced one or more manic episodes with or without major depressive episodes. For a diagnosis of Bipolar I disorder according to the DSM-IV-TR, there requires one or more manic or mixed episodes. A depressive episode is not required for the diagnosis of Bipolar I disorder but it frequently occur.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder#Bipolar_I)

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Never have I found such an equal and yet simplistically articulated description of what I went through. These videos aren't bullshit - I'd almost bet that circulated through the right communities they could cause great forward motion in the treatment of such patients... I *KNOW* they would have helped me.. in fact, they have - years after it's all been said and done.


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Re: bipolar mania [Re: nubious]
    #8280685 - 04/14/08 01:20 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Nil illegitimo in desperandum carborundum, brother.:thumbup::cheers:


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Re: bipolar mania [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8280946 - 04/14/08 05:10 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Psychiatry = Sales and Marketing department for Pharmaceutical companies




QFT, doctors don't know jack shit. Fuck 'em! All they did for me was throw pills at me to cover up my symptoms not cure them. "cure" isn't a word in the medical community now days it seems...You must inform yourself and heal yourself its as simple as that.


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