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wilgi
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Pineal Gland is not the answer
#8280247 - 04/13/08 11:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pineal Gland is not the answer to ego transcending. So my question is what is? And of what substance? If it is any that is in our dimension.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8280316 - 04/13/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Could you please elaborate on the pineal gland not being the answer to transcending ego? Does this have something to do with DMT? (All I know about the pineal gland is that it's been theorized to produce DMT) What is 'the answer'? I don't know, but I am open to the possibility that it may not be found in the form of a 'substance'
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: Cameron]
#8280332 - 04/13/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some believe that through removing our natural senses, we activate the gland, whether through hallucinogens or meditation, but the gland is in rats and reptiles, its not a unique gland, it just was a popular myth, a product of René Descartes, in the 17th century, and also in eastern cultures is known as the third eye, scientifically it seems very much bullshit, so i wanted other opinions on the transcending, because Ive been to my ego, i know its attainable and there, so lets get some ideas and to some debate.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8280351 - 04/13/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doesn't the pineal gland calcify at puberty? Anyways, I see what you're saying now, and unfortunately I have no answers as I seem to have misplaced my ego. Now it's time to bail, before the onslaught of definition junkies tear this thread up!
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8280359 - 04/13/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea well lets see what happens...
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8280422 - 04/14/08 12:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i can understand where you are coming from, in wanting to "transcend the ego"... i've been there. however i have come to understand that the ego is part of us like it or not. rather than "transcending" i find it an interesting alternative to use your powers of introspective inquiry to gain a deeper understanding of why the "ego" works the way "it" does.
we should at least figure out what we are even talking about when we say "ego". is it all the things we don't like about ourselves? is it all those things plus all the things which we do like about ourselves? is it some component of mind/body which enables us to function in 3d?
"Know that the philosopher has power over the stars, and not the stars over him - Paracelsus" ..says it all i think. do you have it in your mind that this "ego" thing somehow stands in between you and the stars? is not the "ego" made of the same stuff you are? so you transcend yourself... what are you then?
tell your ego it's nothing personal... i wrote this for me as much as i wrote it for you
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: Clean]
#8280448 - 04/14/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks for the post Clean, much appreciated as always, i believe the ego is part of us, i feel that through eliminating senses you do get to a state that is 3d to our thinking, but through what physical spectrum does it occur, i am very interested, and of what substance, that too i am interested in, i am using the term Ego, as in I, like in Philosophy, as in the place of original recollected thought.
""Know that the philosopher has power over the stars, and not the stars over him - Paracelsus" ..says it all i think. do you have it in your mind that this "ego" thing somehow stands in between you and the stars? is not the "ego" made of the same stuff you are? so you transcend yourself... what are you then?"
well this ego, in this state, i can reflect even on how i think normally during my day, how my thought processes occur, and my personality, in this state i can observe that, i feel much more knowing and intuitive, it is a quite powerful thing, me and my friend both reached here and gave each other personality types even, person A and B, of course though that isn't all because there was only 2 of us. but we were not alike. and then i explained this to someone else and he referred it to a Japanese culture of people are organized through blood types, very interesting stuff.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8280995 - 04/14/08 05:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wilgi said: but the gland is in rats and reptiles
Point being?
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because Ive been to my ego
You've been to you eg*?
Define the word eg*, please, as you are using it. Without doing so, no one even knows what you are talking about.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: fireworks_god]
#8281047 - 04/14/08 06:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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there was some speculation that the pineal gland which was an eye in some primitive reptile and amphibian stages (of evolution), may be the actual source of mysterious "third eye" of oriental mythologies.
For this vestigal (amphibian light sensing) organ, many have tried to speculate a function, especially as mind and consciousness present so many mysterious possibilities.
having an eye inside of the brain makes a kind of sense, since the retina of the eye is a detector of light activity, and the cortical surface is a kind of retina of electrical activity.
but there is no extensive wiring to the pineal, so it is still just a teensy mysterious appendix kind of organ which has not been inflamed so it has not been removed and we have no record of its function by noting it's missingness of function after surgery.
the cortex of the brain however is interwired effectively enough that the activity of the cortex (which could be considered the electrical retina of life) can be monitored by another area, such as the Pre-Frontal Cortex, which is closer to the actual position of the third eye, and is more likely to act as the "eye of wisdom, maturity, and human intelligence. It is much less developed in most other creatures.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: redgreenvines]
#8281137 - 04/14/08 08:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It produces melatonin.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: blewmeanie]
#8281261 - 04/14/08 09:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't have an answer to your question, but maybe the ego just needs to be perfected, not transcended.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: Boots]
#8281274 - 04/14/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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IMO the "ego" is an antiquated and insufficient model of consciousness. Its time to move on.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: blewmeanie]
#8281306 - 04/14/08 09:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8281326 - 04/14/08 09:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wilgi said: Pineal Gland is not the answer to ego transcending. So my question is what is? And of what substance? If it is any that is in our dimension.
There is only one IMO. Focus on the idea of your death, day after day in all you do. Eventually you will understand.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: Icelander]
#8281454 - 04/14/08 10:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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wilgi said: Pineal Gland is not the answer to ego transcending. So my question is what is? And of what substance? If it is any that is in our dimension.
There is only one IMO. Focus on the idea of your death, day after day in all you do. Eventually you will understand.
in meditation? or just when im like catching the bus im thinking about me getting shot in the face? specify?
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8281465 - 04/14/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Read the post.
There may be no hope for you.
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: Icelander]
#8281474 - 04/14/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wilgi said: Pineal Gland is not the answer to ego transcending. So my question is what is? And of what substance? If it is any that is in our dimension.
There is only one IMO. Focus on the idea of your death, day after day in all you do. Eventually you will understand.
WHAT ARE YOU THE ORACLE, YOU ONLY POSTED THOSE 3 SENTENCES
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: wilgi]
#8281518 - 04/14/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Meditation into emptiness
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: blewmeanie]
#8281528 - 04/14/08 10:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: IMO the "ego" is an antiquated and insufficient model of consciousness. Its time to move on.
smart!
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Re: Pineal Gland is not the answer [Re: Chronic7]
#8281531 - 04/14/08 10:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: Meditation into emptiness
romantic (dreamy)
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