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deCypher
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Does the Devil exist?
#8279558 - 04/13/08 08:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I've noticed a rather large number of posts questioning God's existence, but nary a post questioning the existence of his polar opposite, the Devil. (Be it the traditional Satan from Judeo-Christianity, Iblis from Islam, etc...) Why do (or don't) you believe in the Devil?
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: deCypher]
#8279571 - 04/13/08 08:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yup. It is I.
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Judaistic scriptures never once mention the devil and early Chirstian scriptures do not mention it either, the devil was first introduced to man by the vatican in the 5 century B.C.E. How bout them apples
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the devil is just as real as god
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: danlennon3]
#8279661 - 04/13/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Luke 10:18 And he(Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: deCypher]
#8279698 - 04/13/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Personally I don't think there is a Devil.
I think theres 2 reasons why the "Devil" was created.
1. To explain things that are bad. "if God made the world why do all of these bad things happen?" person answers "the Devil is responsible for those bad things."
2. To scare people into joining some kind of organized religion. "if you don't accept Jesus as your lord and savior then the Devil will get your soul when you die!"
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: aDoS]
#8280209 - 04/13/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I had a discussion about Satan with one of those strangers who strikes up a conversation with you so they can get to the preaching as quickly as possible. This guy's topic was the Apocalypse, and how it began in 1918 and was still going on.
Anyway, as we talked it suddenly occurred to me that the Devil would HAVE TO be smarter than I am, and it was pretty stupidly obvious to me that to fight God would be a losing proposition for anyone. So I asked him why the Devil would do something so stupid. He didn't have much of an answer, but it did get me thinking.
The Devil is about Vanity. The only reason Lucifer could do so manifestly stupid and self-destructive a thing is not because he could win, but because he liked the way having a third of heaven's angels believing he could win made him feel about himself. Even though they were wrong, those angels believed Lucifer was better than God, and with a simple act of denial, he could believe it too. And the end result is tragedy for Lucifer.
No, I don't think the Morning Star is a real guy. But it's a good story about facing things for what they are, and not letting pride blind you to what's real.
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: The Rev]
#8281129 - 04/14/08 08:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where the fuck is the STAL option....hail satan
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8281221 - 04/14/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No such thing, sorry
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i believe god, and satan, or good and evil, are part of the same being. Like a yingyang spirit.
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: deCypher]
#8281330 - 04/14/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No god no devil no evidence.
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: Icelander]
#8281358 - 04/14/08 09:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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While I just cant believe in anything on faith alone without evidence, I also cant firmly refute anything, or anyones existence without proof.
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deCypher
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8281471 - 04/14/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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True, but one option might be more probable than the other.
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: deCypher]
#8281534 - 04/14/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is no evil just ignorance
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: Chronic7]
#8281546 - 04/14/08 10:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd have to disagree. Was Ted Bundy ignorant?
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: deCypher]
#8281570 - 04/14/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Cypher said: True, but one option might be more probable than the other.
How so? More importantly why do I need to choose one or the other.
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deCypher
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8281589 - 04/14/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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LOL... there's no reason why you have to choose one or the other, but complete and utter agnosticism is a tad irrational. Why? Well, it's true that you can't prove or disprove the existence of God. At the same time, it's true that you can't prove or disprove the existence of an invisible flying spaghetti monster, or an imaginary pink unicorn (to take the example of the leading anti-intelligent design arguments).
You can't prove or disprove the existence of these beings either way, but it's damn more improbable that the flying spaghetti monster exists than that it doesn't.
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: deCypher]
#8281600 - 04/14/08 10:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Devil works great as a metaphor for the dysfunctional aspects of human nature
Should never have been taken literally
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Re: Does the Devil exist? [Re: deCypher]
#8281612 - 04/14/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
The Cypher said: LOL... there's no reason why you have to choose one or the other, but complete and utter agnosticism is a tad irrational. Why? Well, it's true that you can't prove or disprove the existence of God. At the same time, it's true that you can't prove or disprove the existence of an invisible flying spaghetti monster, or an imaginary pink unicorn (to take the example of the leading anti-intelligent design arguments).
You can't prove or disprove the existence of these beings either way, but it's damn more improbable that the flying spaghetti monster exists than that it doesn't.
I hear ya, I guess what I was saying was I just choose not to even concern myself with such thing. Although the flying spaghetti monster is 100% real...he saved me.
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