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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8278540 - 04/13/08 06:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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they really don't get it Zap, and many people will honestly be confused when obama loses the election.

Many will blame it on America being a racist country, but thats not it!

Obama has lost many votes with his stereotyping comments.

"Typical white people" Obama lost a few million votes with that comment.

People turn to guns and god because they are bitter. another few million votes lost...


its adding up. :toast:




And then we can all celebrate when Johhny makes the US a utopia, fixing all of our problems? :lol:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8278683 - 04/13/08 07:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"Democrats need to reach out to these people instead of ignoring them."

So Obama claims that these "people" cling to god and guns out of a frustration with their lot in life?????

THATS REACHING OUT TO THEM?:rofl2:


Whatever.....




That's not at all what he said. He said that such wedge issues are favored because they're the only thing the political establishment is willing to grant them. Republicans have no trouble listening to your average rural voter about guns or banning gay marriage, but as soon as they start agitating for economic reform or serious and effective government action, all you hear is crickets. The problem is that the traditional Democratic establishment has already written off such voters as hicks that are gonna vote Republican no matter what. He's saying that the two groups, the Democratic party and the alienated rural voters, have a lot of common ground and that we need to appeal to them.




Calling them stupid and psychicly damaged is not what will appeal to them.
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We're nutjobs because we think a private-schooled Harvard educated socialist is revealing himself to be an elitist? How.....whacky of us:shocked:




The fact that you tar him as a socialist completely discredits you.



He is a socialist and why do you think that is a smear ("tar" denotes smear)
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And yes, of all three candidates, he certainly came from the roughest of upbringings.


  He did?
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But I guess anyone who goes to Harvard is a lazy elitist who's never worked a day in his life, unlike say, someone who marries into money.



Who said he was lazy?  He has slaved relentlessly to get where he is.  He has kissed some extreme ass to get where he is.  Tell me again about his 7 years in a POW camp.
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First, he's rabbleroussing with Wright, appealing to the ignorant black church-going vote and now he's an elitist who disdains religion.




Who said that?  I said he sucked up to Afro-centric politicos for political gain.  Refute it.
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Huh? So you believe that these people are so downtrodden that they have suddenly embraced issues they otherwise wouldn't care about were they to be better off. Forget that they have been concerned with gun rights forever. Or that they haven't just found religion (which they cling to). Or that they just want the existing laws enforced. Forget that Pennsylvania as a whole has above average income. So you too think they're a bunch of racist cracker morons (xenophobia, the polite word for racist, apparently)? What is going to effect a small decaying town more (forget that the decay occurred decades ago)?




Lemme see if I can parse through all this stupidity. While Pennsylvania may be richer on average than the rest of the US, that's due to the wealthy suburbs and the business centers in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, not the Rust Belt.




Urban Philadelphia is a cesspool and Pittsburgh is in the center of the rust belt.  I thought that the rust belt was the center of discontent driving poor stupid people who don't know what's good for them away from Barry.
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Scranton and Philadelphia are as different as you can get.


  Holy shit, an accurate statement.
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Nobody's saying that gun control isn't a legitimate topic of debate.


Barry seems to be saying that in that he thinks it's only an issue because they are clinging to it because they are downtrodden,  And stupid.
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Nor is Obama denigrating religion, which you of all people should know considering how much you slimed him for his pastor's beliefs.



I slimed him for his pastor's beliefs?  No, child, his pastor slimed him with his pastor's beliefs, not I.  I can't slime the lad with anything.  He can only be slimed by his associates.  Who seem to be quite slimy indeed.
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Nor is he saying that they suddenly starting caring about these issues. He's saying that these issues take up more prominence than they're due because of a sense of ingrained frustration: when your community is collapsing, your savings account is dwindling by the year, your sons and daughters are being killed in a senseless and cruel war, then yes, voting based upon a minor difference in gun control policies or voting against gay marriage as a primary issue is crazy and the reason that such behavior is so popular is because people have given up hope on solving the big issues so they try to have their voice heard where their opinions can change things.




Perhaps the big issue is that they don't want to listen to any jerk offs promises of nonsense and would just as soon do it on their own on their own terms without being told what is and isn't good for them by some Harvard twatwaffle.  But, of course, they're too stupid to know that the Harvard twatwaffle knows best.
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It's called a wedge issue; Republicans have exploited lots of voters by appealing to trivial issues("the Democrats are gonna take your guns away!" as if that'd ever happen) while selling them down the river on the big issues.



Well, some of the more childish political observers might think that is how Republicans have managed to stave off the liberal horde.  I don't think that's it.  I think people DON'T WANT YOUR FUCKING HELP NOW SLAG OFF.  They don't want your self righteous pandering bullshit and in fact hate you for it.  Self respecting people anyway.  Shameless whores, not so much.
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Then again, I don't really think these people have been waiting for that message. They have moved on and their life doesn't suck half as much as the social worker crowd would have you believe. They are not bitter, they are not stupid and they don't want your fucking help, now piss off.




Yeah, because McCain did so well in Michigan, right? And of course they're happy as rain. Everything's hunky dory.  Have you ever visited towns like Flint Michigan or Scranton, Pennsylvania by chance?




Flint and Scranton have been fucked for decades and they only get more and more fucked buying Dem snake oil.  How long have Democrats ruled Detroit?  And Flint and New Orleans?  Scarnton I don't know.
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That isn't what he said at all. He said they were shunning HIM because of their xenophobia and because they are so beaten down they can only focus on nonsense. Stupid, in other words, as well as psychicly damaged. You are exactly the same kind of elitist that I despise. You don't tell me or anybody else what our interests are, we tell you. And only us.




He said nothing of the sort. And I won't even dignify the rest of this bullshit with a response.

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The hideous smear attack of accurately quoting a person. How awful of us. Nuance. You own the franchise. I generally don't do 10 second sound bites, now, do I?




You're being disingenuous- you consistently misconstrue his words. You either have the reading comprehension level of a 5th grader or you're willing to twist the truth out of spite.

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Somehow you seem to think that everybody who is not you is one person. Typical narcissist. I think that Barry goes to the Black Church out of political calculation, which is biting him in the dick right now, and that he probably does have a real contempt for the god botherers.




I'm not referring to "everyone who disagrees with me"; I'm referring to the Obama-lynchers on this forum and the concerted smear campaign against him. And what in God's name is a "God botherer"? 




Obama-lynchers?  Do you you have any idea what a fool you look when you equate a political disagreement with a lynching?  The bet here is .....NO.

Fuck it here are the comments again

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.'Whining that he isn't getting the vote because he's a black guyThat's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing. More whinig about his race and the bigots who won't vote for him


Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).You can't make this up.  He's telling these billionaires in San Fran that his populist message is being ignored because the sheriff's a ni...black guy

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Right, they're bitter because the gumint hasn't sent enough cheese.  And Barry hasn't pandered to the anti-trade sentiment at all(Barry's greeter button "Ask Me About NAFTA") Except they're not bitter and they would rather you pounded your cheese up your ass

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.Yeah Barry, just keep on doing what you're doing


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8278684 - 04/13/08 07:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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they really don't get it Zap, and many people will honestly be confused when obama loses the election.

Many will blame it on America being a racist country, but thats not it!

Obama has lost many votes with his stereotyping comments.

"Typical white people" Obama lost a few million votes with that comment.

People turn to guns and god because they are bitter. another few million votes lost...


its adding up. :toast:




And then we can all celebrate when Johhny makes the US a utopia, fixing all of our problems? :lol:




Nobody is going to fix all of your problems.  Fix your own fucking problems.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8278695 - 04/13/08 07:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How am I going to fix the credit crisis? How am I going to fix what is going on in Iraq?

I have no problems; my life is perfect.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' ... [Re: Phred]
    #8278700 - 04/13/08 07:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"One intelligent remark can ruin a man's entire career."

It is very entertaining to watch conservatives play the victim card. :lol:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8278710 - 04/13/08 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nope, he never said anyone in Penn. is stupid. I'd like to see a quote of him saying so.

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Oh yeah, and Barry hates Whitey, too. "White Greed, Black Need." And the CIA made AIDS to kill black men. Unless the Whitey in question is an unrepentant terrorist. Then he is cool.




What you posted above did nothing to back up the statement you made earlier.




Normally I would ask at his point if you are daft. I posted a whole pile of stuff to back up my assertion that Barry hates whitey. And his wife hates whitey and his reverend hates whitey. His latest comments in San Fran show he hates whitey, because they won't vote for him. Buy a fucking clue.
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You complete lack of objectivity is an embarrassment to adult dialogue. You're just as blinded as the nutty conspiracy people here.




I am completely objective. Now I would prefer Hillary. I have weighed the evidence and followed the candidates diligently and have come to the conclusion that Barry is far and away the worst of all possible candidates left. He is a racist opportunist of the worst stripe, a dyed in the wool socialist with a particular agenda to fuck everyone who looks or acts like me, and a disdainful elitist cunt to boot. I don't believe Hillary is a racist, so she is ahead of the Obamessiah. Based on evidence at hand.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8278721 - 04/13/08 07:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How am I going to fix the credit crisis? How am I going to fix what is going on in Iraq?

I have no problems; my life is perfect.




The credit "crisis" will fix itself. What is going on in Iraq is the fixing. How do those things actually impact your life and have they driven you to cling to your guns and go to church?


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8278728 - 04/13/08 07:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"One intelligent remark can ruin a man's entire career."

It is very entertaining to watch conservatives play the victim card. :lol:




What the fuck are you talking about?  The career being ruined is Obama's and the victim's he speaks of don't think they are.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8278766 - 04/13/08 08:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nope, you still haven't shown that Barack or his wife hates whites. You have shown his preacher does, but that's neither here nor there. I might ask who again is the daft one?

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How do those things actually impact your life and have they driven you to cling to your guns and go to church?




Are you serious? Of course it does. Investments are tanking, which effects anyone who is smart enough to have investments.

The war in Iraq effects me because I have several friends and family there. Not only that, but it's an extravagant waste of taxpayer money. I think your brilliant quote above should be proclaimed to the Iraqi people:

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Nobody is going to fix all of your problems. Fix your own fucking problems.




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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8278778 - 04/13/08 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The career being ruined is Obama's




Thanks for pointing that out to all of us...

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the victim's he speaks of don't think they are




What "victims" does he speak of? He said rural Pennsylvanians cling to their crappy rural culture because they're bitter about their economic status - and Repubicans won't stop crying about it.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8278797 - 04/13/08 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I love how, by the way, Two people with net worths over 50 million dollars are calling the guy with a net worth of 1.4 million dollars whose job was to fight for housing reform in poverty neighborhoods and who grew up in a household without much money "elitist and out of touch."


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8278837 - 04/13/08 08:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nope, you still haven't shown that Barack or his wife hates whites. You have shown his preacher does, but that's neither here nor there. I might ask who again is the daft one?




There will probably be no Farrakhan moment. Although his latest whine that people in Pennsylvania won't listen to him because he's black was pretty good. If you can't see it by now you never will. Fucking daft and blind.
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How do those things actually impact your life and have they driven you to cling to your guns and go to church?




Are you serious? Of course it does. Investments are tanking, which effects anyone who is smart enough to have investments.


If you are smart enough to have investments then you are smart enough to know that they go up and down. Or were you one of those incredible morons who think they only ever went up? Tanking? Not really. Now tell me how you think the gummint should fix the credit crisis
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The war in Iraq effects me because I have several friends and family there. Not only that, but it's an extravagant waste of taxpayer money. I think your brilliant quote above should be proclaimed to the Iraqi people:

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Nobody is going to fix all of your problems. Fix your own fucking problems.










Fair enough. As to the waste of money, I differ. I think it is well spent, but that is NOT for this thread.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8278866 - 04/13/08 08:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I love how, by the way, Two people with net worths over 50 million dollars are calling the guy with a net worth of 1.4 million dollars whose job was to fight for housing reform in poverty neighborhoods and who grew up in a household without much money "elitist and out of touch."




You don't have to have money to be elitist. You just have to think you know how people ought to live their lives . Without much money? How did he end up going to that private school on Hawaii? He sure is out of touch. He has really never lived in America at all. Indonesia to Hawaii to Harvard. Hawaii may be a state but it sure doesn't have much at all in common with the rest of the country and Harvard is an island unto itself.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8278888 - 04/13/08 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There will probably be no Farrakhan moment. Although his latest whine that people in Pennsylvania won't listen to him because he's black was pretty good. If you can't see it by now you never will. Fucking daft and blind.




Am I blind or is it you seeing things that aren't really there?

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If you are smart enough to have investments then you are smart enough to know that they go up and down. Or were you one of those incredible morons who think they only ever went up? Tanking? Not really. Now tell me how you think the gummint should fix the credit crisis




They could start by not bailing out any fool who can't run his business. Make those companies actually have some accountability. If these jackasses are giving out subprime loans, they need to reap the benefits of their stupidity when these loans inevitably default. Also, the government needs to create regulations for a minimum amount of liquidity.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8278914 - 04/13/08 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1) I went to a private school with a few vouchers and the draining of my mother's mortgage. Going to a private school does not make one rich, trust me. His grandparents paid for his school in this case, but he certainly did not live a priveledged life early on.

2) Fuck you for claiming Hawaii is not "America"

3) As far as "you dont have to have money to be an elitist," this is true, but it smacks of snark whenever two 50+ millionaires with mucho-money from lobyists are telling the 1.4m guy (the majority of which came from his two books) who spent his career teaching constitional law and fighting for housing improvements in low-income slums that he is "out of touch and elitist."

4) "You just have to think you know how people ought to live their lives" And that's not what McCain is doing when he says that he wants to increase drug penalties, increase manditory minimums, supports a litmus test on abortion, and supports the amendment against flag burning (isn't that pretty much straight-forward telling someone how to live their life?)

5) Since when is going to Harvard a bad thing? Why does being intelligent make you an elitist? Is it some sort of republican party think to be against intelligence and drive for excellence? I mean hell, this guy managed to work himself into this position. At least he didn't marry some heiress to a fortune a month after divorcing his old wife, for a woman who stole pills from her own charity organization...

And Barack Obama is out of touch?

Heh.
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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8279053 - 04/13/08 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Having lived in the midwest for 22 of my 23 years, I can attest that what he says is completely true.




Having lived in a small Pennsylvania town for 25 of my 27 years, I can attest that what he says is completely UNtrue.

Do people here consider a candidate's stance on gun control important? Sure. If it's a rural area, they're against it. If it's an urban area -- philly, pittsburg, harrisburg -- chances are they're for it.
Well geez, looks like I'm actually saying that's an issue important to liberals and conservatives both. It's only condescending to call that a result of bitterness when you believe that the other side of the coin only holds their opinion because they're some sort of grumpy, out-of-touch hillbilly idiot. That's what Obama is saying. That's what he believes, deep down, to be true -- that his stance is right and anyone holding a contrary stance only does so because they are not properly enlightened to the Truth of matters, the Truth that he alone can bring.

Religion? Sure. Not Utah-like devotion to any candidate because they spout beliefs that match faiths, but last I checked both sides, again, play this card. See above comment about the enlightened and the ignorant.

Antipathy to people not like them, anti-immigrant, anti-trade?

Oh, and so we're on the same page here. "Antipathy to people not like them" means racist.

Boy, he's sure winning votes now!

The only racist, anti-immigrant sentiments that really predominate across the more rural areas of pennsylvania are the utter disdain for.. well, I can't think of a more clear way to illustrate this than to give a nod to chris rock for a second. There's niggers, and there's black people, and nobody likes a nigger. You throw a regular old black dude into some small town in the back woods of PA, and he'd get on fine with everyone. You throw some thugged-out asstard with a smug sense of superiority into the same place and the people around him are going to fucking hate him.

Fuck, we just had a black guy run for Governor -- on the Republican ticket. Lynn Swan. He lost not because he was black, but because the cities in this state are strongly Democratic. Those white folk Obama is speaking down to? Voted for a black guy. Huh. Must not be all that racist.

Oh, and anti-immigrant only counts as true if you believe that being against unchecked illegal immigration is a good thing.. and that does tend to be the Demo party line, that anyone who thinks we should stop letting anybody who can walk sneak across our southern border at night is anti-immigrant and should be labeled a racist.

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Lemme see if I can parse through all this stupidity. While Pennsylvania may be richer on average than the rest of the US, that's due to the wealthy suburbs and the business centers in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, not the Rust Belt. Scranton and Philadelphia are as different as you can get. Nobody's saying that gun control isn't a legitimate topic of debate. Nor is Obama denigrating religion, which you of all people should know considering how much you slimed him for his pastor's beliefs. Nor is he saying that they suddenly starting caring about these issues. He's saying that these issues take up more prominence than they're due because of a sense of ingrained frustration: when your community is collapsing, your savings account is dwindling by the year, your sons and daughters are being killed in a senseless and cruel war, then yes, voting based upon a minor difference in gun control policies or voting against gay marriage as a primary issue is crazy and the reason that such behavior is so popular is because people have given up hope on solving the big issues so they try to have their voice heard where their opinions can change things. It's called a wedge issue; Republicans have exploited lots of voters by appealing to trivial issues("the Democrats are gonna take your guns away!" as if that'd ever happen) while selling them down the river on the big issues.




Or perhaps it's that some problems are easy. Gun control is an easy one; you're for it or against it. gay marriage? for it or against it.

Revitalizing a local economy?
How in the FUCK is the government going to do that? Answer, they're not. They can maybe lay a few incentives around, but in the end the Feds can't do shit.

The steel mills aren't coming back. The chinese can make the same metal, and pay the whole damned plant what a single steel mill worker made here in a day. They don't have to worry about unions, health insurance, payed vacation time, safety regulations.
Aluminum is moving to china, but give it 10-20 years. They've not quite figured out how to produce the more technologically advanced aluminum that we can make in the states. Not going to stay that way forever.

Post-industrial (post-globalization) rot. There's a problem, but there's really not a solution. Any claims to the contrary are nothing but pandering -- this is something a lot of people here, and in those blighted postindustrial areas, realize. They don't know what to do. Nobody knows what to do. So -- fuck it! -- they'll complain about their lot, they'll bitch, they'll wish things were better, but often enough they'll realize that there are issues more important than the false promises offered to them by some smooth talking suit who probably thinks they're just a bunch of backwards, gap-toothed retards once he gets behind closed doors.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8279060 - 04/13/08 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Calling them stupid and psychicly damaged is not what will appeal to them.




I agree. It's a good thing that he didn't call them stupid. And I'm not sure about "psychicly damaged", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

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He is a socialist and why do you think that is a smear ("tar" denotes smear)




Because it's a charged and vague word that could be applied to anybody to the left of Ron Paul(including the Republican party).

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He did?




Of course; look at his biography. He was raised by a single woman of modest means and worked his way from the bottom up. Clinton was born into a wealthy suburban family. McCain was born the son of an Admiral and owes the majority of his wealth to his marriage. Now, I don't hold a wealthy upbringing against anyone- my point is that it's ludicrous to call him an elitist because he's educated.

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Who said he was lazy? He has slaved relentlessly to get where he is. He has kissed some extreme ass to get where he is. Tell me again about his 7 years in a POW camp.




Non sequitor after non sequitor. Who said anything about a POW camp? Is that a necessity for running for office? And to think that Obama owes his success to "kissing ass" is so stupid it doesn't merit a refutation.

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Who said that? I said he sucked up to Afro-centric politicos for political gain. Refute it.




Actually, the burden is on you to prove it, not me to disprove it. Sure, he built connections within his community like any politician, but to think that he embraced Wright for political gain is mind-numbingly stupid- Wright's certainly been an asset, hasn't he?

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Urban Philadelphia is a cesspool and Pittsburgh is in the center of the rust belt. I thought that the rust belt was the center of discontent driving poor stupid people who don't know what's good for them away from Barry.




Of course Philidelphia has a lot of poverty, but it also has a lot of wealth. And Pittsburgh has rejuvenated itself- it's not the city it once was.

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I slimed him for his pastor's beliefs? No, child, his pastor slimed him with his pastor's beliefs, not I. I can't slime the lad with anything. He can only be slimed by his associates. Who seem to be quite slimy indeed.




No; you slimed him by pulling the same deceitful, misreading, let's-ignore-the-context bullshit you're doing in this very thread.

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Perhaps the big issue is that they don't want to listen to any jerk offs promises of nonsense and would just as soon do it on their own on their own terms without being told what is and isn't good for them by some Harvard twatwaffle. But, of course, they're too stupid to know that the Harvard twatwaffle knows best.

Well, some of the more childish political observers might think that is how Republicans have managed to stave off the liberal horde. I don't think that's it. I think people DON'T WANT YOUR FUCKING HELP NOW SLAG OFF. They don't want your self righteous pandering bullshit and in fact hate you for it. Self respecting people anyway. Shameless whores, not so much.




Yes, clearly the citizens of the rust belt are just clamoring for a libertarian revolution. You certainly seem to know exactly how they feel. Or at least the "self respecting" people; anyone who expects the government to look out for their interests is obviously a shameless whore.

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Obama-lynchers? Do you you have any idea what a fool you look when you equate a political disagreement with a lynching? The bet here is .....NO.




Your smear against Obama regarding Wright was classical race-baiting. And now you're absolutely, 100% determined to twist Obama's words out of some weird vendetta. Where's your criticism of the other candidates? Obama makes an off the cuff remark that may not have been ideally worded but is pretty clearly not condescending or insulting and you jump all over him for it. He has a pastor who does the same and you're all over him. McCain sucks up to bigoted nutjobs who advocate genocide and the realization of the Apocalypse and you trip over yourself to offer half-assed excuses. McCain publicly calls his wife a "cunt" and loses his temper in public numerous times and nary a peep despite the fact that such an outburst from the President of the United States could have epic reprocussions. He makes an absurd and jingoistic claim about Iran, a claim so patently and obviously false that anyone who know the difference between Baghdad and Baltimore would've laughed at it, and again nary a whisper. But he dares to intelligently discuss the political atmosphere in a region and holy hell, you're bursting your keyboard trying to spout as much vitriol and sophistry as you can.

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Fuck it here are the comments again




Are you able to read? I don't mean read in the simple sense of equating letters with words; I mean analyze and interpret basic statements? Because I'm starting to worry that you can't. Obama downplays the race issue here, unlike Governor Ed Rendell who claimed that Pennsylvania was too racist to elect a black president(and yet I didn't hear you leaping on him); the worst he says is that his name, race and novelty cause "skepticism". Yes, he's obviously calling them Klansmen. He says that the Democratic party has failed them, that governmental policy and politics has failed them(and to deny this is to forfeit any credibility) and that as a result, they're angry and frustrated and the Republicans have developed a politics based on frustration and anger. He says that Democrats need to offer hope, they need to work to fix the region's problems if they want to capture those votes.

But you're clearly not interested in what he's saying; you just hear whatever it is that'll best confirm your previously-existing biases. If Obama said "Good day" to you, you'd interpret that as a threat that he'll attack you at night. So there's not any real point in arguing; if you can't be swayed to believe in global warming or to actually read Wright's sermons, there's no hope you'll actually read the comments you just posted.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8279396 - 04/13/08 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yossarian, your love for Obama has completely demolished your ability to understand what you are reading. If it were any other candidate saying these things, you'd easily recognize the condescension, the crypto-Marxist sentiment, the naked opportunism that drips from every pore of this empty suit.

Much as I hate to say it, the more Obama opens his mouth, the more I am coming to realize Hillary is not the worst of the three candidates left standing. Obama is. Hard as it is to believe, having that man as president of the US would be even worse than having Hillary and Bill back in the White House.

Fortunately, he's a n00b at campaigning at this level, so he was unable to conceal his real self forever. The more he talks (and he has to do a hell of a lot of talking between now and Denver) the more he reveals. And that revelation won't sit well with the majority of American voters, so it looks like the world will dodge another bullet.

Whew.





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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8280950 - 04/14/08 07:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> His grandparents paid for his school in this case, but he certainly did not live a priveledged life early on.

Must be nice. Slice it how you like, but he had a lot easier childhood than most of us. While he was going to private school on his grandparents dime, I was picking up aluminum cans along the side of the road to turn in for lunch money at public school. (literally)

Sorry, but you are not going to win any tears from me for somebody having a hard childhood. I lived a hard childhood and I have known people that had it a lot worse than I did. How many birthday's did Obama miss because his family couldn't afford a birthday cake, never mind birthday presents? My guess would be zero.

> the more Obama opens his mouth, the more I am coming to realize Hillary is not the worst of the three candidates left standing

I would never admit it, but you might be correct. Ick, I feel dirty just thinking about hir...

> "Mexicans" are often a scapegoat for this anger & frustration.

They aren't being used as a scapegoat, rather, tolerance for "freeloaders" is dropping. When the pantry is full, nobody minds sharing. When the pantry is almost empty, people tend to look out for their own first. It isn't that people are blaming the illegal aliens for the economic problems (though they certainly don't help), but that people are a lot less willing to share what little they have left with illegal aliens.


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