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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8277424 - 04/13/08 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You're right, Zappa, we'll see the new Gallup polls, but quite honestly, I dont trust Rasmussen. It isnt because it shows my candidate down, either, I've consistantly been against Rasmussen. They underpoll dems, and their accuracy is about 19th on the pollster score card.

Gallup is a lot more trustworthy.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Icelander]
    #8277437 - 04/13/08 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So funny to me that when politicos lie and spout pure crap everybody smiles and claps like idiots but if someone tells the truth for a minute everybody freaks out.:monkeydance:




It is, in fact, not truthful.  It is bigoted ignorance.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8277447 - 04/13/08 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think any of them ever undercount Dems. That's why it's the Republicans who usually outperform the polling.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8277528 - 04/13/08 02:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lol. Zappa, who are you kidding Rasmussen is a GOP pollster. Bush's approval ratings are typically 5 points above the average among other pollsters, their current poll is 8 points above the average of other pollsters as well, and they underpoll democrats. They dont score well on the pollster report card, so I'd remain cautious about touting some sort of McCain bounce from this.

After all, Obama's weathered much worse political storms.

And in my opinion, this isn't even that big of a mistatement.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8277660 - 04/13/08 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And in my opinion, this isn't even that big of a mistatement.




Of course not. You're a Liberal.



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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8277678 - 04/13/08 03:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Lol. Zappa, who are you kidding Rasmussen is a GOP pollster.



No they're not.
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Bush's approval ratings are typically 5 points above the average among other pollsters, their current poll is 8 points above the average of other pollsters as well,




Bush is not running for president
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and they underpoll democrats.




Historically, Dems don't vote, otherwise they'd win every election. That must be accounted for.
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They dont score well on the pollster report card,


Yeah a report card compiled by a polling company that gave itself top marks but doesn't seem to have a Mac/Barry head to head nationally.
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so I'd remain cautious about touting some sort of McCain bounce from this.




OK
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After all, Obama's weathered much worse political storms.




Do you mean Wright? Which you asserted had no effect? Not well weathered, if you ask me. And I might argue that this may be worse but I'm not going to invest much in that particularly pointless exercise. The commie fucknozzle keeps getting exposed as elitist swine. And we haven't even started to clobber him.
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And in my opinion, this isn't even that big of a mistatement.




Yes, I know. Because you and the other elitist socialists think you're smarter and know how to run other people's lives. Why socialists who have repeatedly failed still think they have a better way is beyond me. Must be some kind of learning disability. Maybe you guys are good at music or something.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080411/D8VVUAHG0.html

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NEW YORK (AP) - There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist. The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."

Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.

Another of her theories: That the bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."




She sounds astonishingly like Barry's preacher man.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8277736 - 04/13/08 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Barry has a very revealing habit of whining that people who don't vote for him are too stupid to appreciate his message of collectivist crap.




Link?

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Oh yeah, and Barry hates Whitey, too. "White Greed, Black Need." And the CIA made AIDS to kill black men. Unless the Whitey in question is an unrepentant terrorist. Then he is cool.




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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8277748 - 04/13/08 03:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And in my opinion, this isn't even that big of a mistatement.




Of course not. You're a Liberal.



Phred




While it may be notable in terms of effects, it is absurd to believe that what he said itself is a big deal.

And I know you won't be a fool enough to say I'm a liberal.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8277811 - 04/13/08 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It most certainly is a big deal precisely because of it's effect.

Which does not have anything to do with the fact that liberals believe he was correct in his bigoted and ignorant assertion that economic hardship has made people bitter and more....Conservative? WTF? I thought economic bitterness would tend to make one more inclined to vote liberal. See Detroit.

Barry and a great many other liberals think flyover country is populated by morons who would be much better off on the gummint titty if only they were smart enough to know they needed it.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8277820 - 04/13/08 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So really he didn't say anything wrong, but what's important is that he's suffering for it? Now that's tact if I've ever seen it. :smirk:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8277872 - 04/13/08 03:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Barry has a very revealing habit of whining that people who don't vote for him are too stupid to appreciate his message of collectivist crap.




Link?




What do you think his non-apoplogy apology was? Try this:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/04/obamas_sorry_youre_too_stupid.asp
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Obama's Sorry You're Too Stupid to Understand What He Meant

Via Ambinder:

[O]bviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that. The underlying truth of what I said remains, which is simply that people who have seen their way of life upended because of economic distress are frustrated and rightfully so.

What a horrible non-apology. The wording was offensive, as was the "underlying truth." Also, this only addresses the bitterness part of the statement, the least offensive part. What about the implication that white folks seeks refuge from economic distress in an irrational embrace of the Second Amendment? Or that unlike Obama, who came by his black liberation theology oh so honestly, the hicks of middle America come to their religion out of fear and xenophobia. I'd think a really different kind of politician would man up and take his lumps.






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Oh yeah, and Barry hates Whitey, too. "White Greed, Black Need." And the CIA made AIDS to kill black men. Unless the Whitey in question is an unrepentant terrorist. Then he is cool.




Link?




Find your own inks to anyone of several thousand reports regarding Rev. Wright, his wife who finally found some pride in America because people voted for her husband, his lie about his white grandmother in defense of the heinous Rev Wright, his "typical white person" quote. I'll give you this one: "White folks greed runs a world in need".
http://www.slate.com/id/2187358/

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Page 293 (paperback edition): On his radio show yesterday, Hugh Hewitt played excerpts of Barack Obama reading from his autobiography, Dreams of My Father. In one, Obama remembers a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright:

[T]he pastor described going to a museum and being confronted by a painting title Hope.

"The painting depicts a harpist," Revernd Wright explained, "a woman who at first glance appears to be sitting atop a great mountaintop. Untill you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string. Your eye is then drawn down to the scene below, down to the valley below, where everywhere are the ravages of famine, the drumbeat of war, a world groaning under strife and deprivation.

It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, aprtheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ... That's the world! On which hope sits."

And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpesville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. ... [E.A.]

Sounds ... controversial! Keep in mind: a) Obama isn't disapproving of this sermon. In the book he weeps at the end of it; b) Demonstrating that at least some blaming of "white greed" for the world's sins--which Obama now criticizes-- isn't an exceptional topic for Rev. Wright in a few wacky sermons ("the five dumbest things") that Obama may or may not have missed. It's at the quotidian core of the Afrocentric philosophy that Obama says drew him to the church; c) Indeed, in his big March 18th race speech Obama reads the passage from his book that describes his emotional reaction to this very sermon (his "first service at Trinity")--how it made "the story of a people" seem "black and more than black." d) This is also the sermon that gave Obama the title of his next book, The Audacity of Hope. e) The "profound mistake" of this sermon is not that Wright "spoke as if our society was static"--Obama's analysis on Feb. 18th. The problem is that "white folks' greed" is not the main cause of a "world in need."
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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8277880 - 04/13/08 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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While it may be notable in terms of effects, it is absurd to believe that what he said itself is a big deal.




LOL. It is precisely because of its effects that it's a big deal, duh! If it was just another of his fortune cookie platitudes, it would of course not be a big deal. But it wasn't -- it was a revealing snapshot of the man's ingrained prejudices.

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And I know you won't be a fool enough to say I'm a liberal.




You're no liberal. But if you honestly believe his comment was no big deal, then I must point out it isn't me who's playing the fool in this exchange.



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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8277888 - 04/13/08 03:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In his apology he said nothing that should lead anyone to believe he called Pennsylvanians stupid.

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Oh yeah, and Barry hates Whitey, too. "White Greed, Black Need." And the CIA made AIDS to kill black men. Unless the Whitey in question is an unrepentant terrorist. Then he is cool.





"Barry" said none of the quoted text.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: DieCommie]
    #8277893 - 04/13/08 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Leave it to the anti-Obama nutjobs here to twist every word he says beyond all recognition. He said something that everybody knows to be true: that people in the Rust Belt have been let down, they're mired in poverty, stagnation, etc., all of which are complicated issues with no clear answers and thus politicians won't touch it with a 20 foot pole. When nobody tries to address these problems or even give the impression they're listening or trying to find a solution, politics becomes a matter of diversions. Things like gun control or xenophobia are the only political issues that the political establishment will listen to these voters about, and so that's become the core of their political activities even though stuff like that's relatively trivial(what's going to affect a small, decaying Pennsylvania town more: immigration laws or economic policy?). The Republicans have managed to make a great deal of people vote against their economic interests by pandering to these kinds of issues and Obama's saying that the Democrats need to reach out to these people instead of ignoring them. But of course, you guys aren't interested in things like nuance or meaning; you just wanna put together words in whatever order makes Obama look the worst. And people wonder why modern American politics is so superficial and petty: you try to tackle serious issues and you have all sorts of smear attacks taking advantage of the fact that your argument can't be accurately condensed into a ten second soundbyte. Disgusting.

I also like how you guys think that he's a secret Muslim, a hardcore black Christian, and an elitist "religion is too good for me" liberal. Make up your minds.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8277956 - 04/13/08 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In his apology he said nothing that should lead anyone to believe he called Pennsylvanians stupid.




Oh no? Not all Pennsylvanians. Just the Pennsylvanians who believe that laws should be enforced, guns should not be outlawed and church is a good thing. To be clung to, like a blanky. Philadelphia, I'm sure, agreed with him. Other podunk retards in other states don't much care for it either. Because they don't like it when their bitterness is exposed.
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Oh yeah, and Barry hates Whitey, too. "White Greed, Black Need." And the CIA made AIDS to kill black men. Unless the Whitey in question is an unrepentant terrorist. Then he is cool.





"Barry" said none of the quoted text.




This part was from his book. His words.
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And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpesville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. ... [E.A.]




Then there is all the bullshit about "typical white people" (yes, he said it), his wife's finally being proud of America specifically because some Americans will vote for her husband, the whole pile of other shit Wright said that he sat through. The fact that he is at the church specifically because of it's Afro-Centrism.

But that's OK. You need a Farrakhan speech to see this? Hopeless.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8278027 - 04/13/08 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Leave it to the anti-Obama nutjobs here to twist every word he says beyond all recognition. He said something that everybody knows to be true: that people in the Rust Belt have been let down, they're mired in poverty, stagnation, etc Democrats need to reach out to these people instead of ignoring them. . 

I also like how you guys think that he's a secret Muslim, a hardcore black Christian, and an elitist "religion is too good for me" liberal. Make up your minds.





"Democrats need to reach out to these people instead of ignoring them."



So Obama claims that these "people" cling to god and guns out of a frustration with their lot in life?????

THATS REACHING OUT TO THEM?:rofl2:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8278118 - 04/13/08 04:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Leave it to the anti-Obama nutjobs here to twist every word he says beyond all recognition.



We're nutjobs because we think a private-schooled Harvard educated socialist is revealing himself to be an elitist?  How.....whacky of us:shocked:
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He said something that everybody knows to be true: that people in the Rust Belt have been let down, they're mired in poverty, stagnation, etc., all of which are complicated issues with no clear answers and thus politicians won't touch it with a 20 foot pole. When nobody tries to address these problems or even give the impression they're listening or trying to find a solution, politics becomes a matter of diversions. Things like gun control or xenophobia are the only political issues that the political establishment will listen to these voters about, and so that's become the core of their political activities even though stuff like that's relatively trivial(what's going to affect a small, decaying Pennsylvania town more: immigration laws or economic policy?).



Huh?  So you believe that these people are so downtrodden that they have suddenly embraced issues they otherwise wouldn't care about were they to be better off.  Forget that they have been concerned with gun rights forever.  Or that they haven't just found religion (which they cling to).  Or that they just want the existing laws enforced.  Forget that Pennsylvania as a whole has above average income.  So you too think they're a bunch of racist cracker morons (xenophobia, the polite word for racist, apparently)?  What is going to effect a small decaying town more (forget that the decay occurred decades ago)?
Let down?  Only by liars like Barry who try to tell them help is on the way.  I much prefer what McCain said in Detroit.  Their jobs are gone and they're not coming back and they damn well better move on.  Then again, I don't really think these people have been waiting for that message.  They have moved on and their life doesn't suck half as much as the social worker crowd would have you believe.  They are not bitter, they are not stupid and they don't want your fucking help, now piss off.
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The Republicans have managed to make a great deal of people vote against their economic interests by pandering to these kinds of issues and Obama's saying that the Democrats need to reach out to these people instead of ignoring them.




That isn't what he said at all.  He said they were shunning HIM because of their xenophobia and because they are so beaten down they can only focus on nonsense.  Stupid, in other words, as well as psychicly damaged.  You are exactly the same kind of elitist that I despise.  You don't tell me or anybody else what our interests are, we tell you.  And only us.
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But of course, you guys aren't interested in things like nuance or meaning; you just wanna put together words in whatever order makes Obama look the worst. And people wonder why modern American politics is so superficial and petty: you try to tackle serious issues and you have all sorts of smear attacks taking advantage of the fact that your argument can't be accurately condensed into a ten second soundbyte. Disgusting.




The hideous smear attack of accurately quoting a person.  How awful of us.  Nuance.  You own the franchise.  I generally don't do 10 second sound bites, now, do I?
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I also like how you guys think that he's a secret Muslim, a hardcore black Christian, and an elitist "religion is too good for me" liberal. Make up your minds.




Somehow you seem to think that everybody who is not you is one person.  Typical narcissist.  I think that Barry goes to the Black Church out of political calculation, which is biting him in the dick right now, and that he probably does have a real contempt for the god botherers.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8278246 - 04/13/08 05:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nope, he never said anyone in Penn. is stupid. I'd like to see a quote of him saying so.

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Oh yeah, and Barry hates Whitey, too. "White Greed, Black Need." And the CIA made AIDS to kill black men. Unless the Whitey in question is an unrepentant terrorist. Then he is cool.




What you posted above did nothing to back up the statement you made earlier.

You complete lack of objectivity is an embarrassment to adult dialogue. You're just as blinded as the nutty conspiracy people here.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8278254 - 04/13/08 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

they really don't get it Zap, and many people will honestly be confused when obama loses the election.

Many will blame it on America being a racist country, but thats not it!

Obama has lost many votes with his stereotyping comments.

"Typical white people" Obama lost a few million votes with that comment.

People turn to guns and god because they are bitter. another few million votes lost...


its adding up. :toast:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8278384 - 04/13/08 06:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"Democrats need to reach out to these people instead of ignoring them."

So Obama claims that these "people" cling to god and guns out of a frustration with their lot in life?????

THATS REACHING OUT TO THEM?:rofl2:


Whatever.....




That's not at all what he said. He said that such wedge issues are favored because they're the only thing the political establishment is willing to grant them. Republicans have no trouble listening to your average rural voter about guns or banning gay marriage, but as soon as they start agitating for economic reform or serious and effective government action, all you hear is crickets. The problem is that the traditional Democratic establishment has already written off such voters as hicks that are gonna vote Republican no matter what. He's saying that the two groups, the Democratic party and the alienated rural voters, have a lot of common ground and that we need to appeal to them.

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We're nutjobs because we think a private-schooled Harvard educated socialist is revealing himself to be an elitist? How.....whacky of us:shocked:




The fact that you tar him as a socialist completely discredits you. And yes, of all three candidates, he certainly came from the roughest of upbringings. But I guess anyone who goes to Harvard is a lazy elitist who's never worked a day in his life, unlike say, someone who marries into money. First, he's rabbleroussing with Wright, appealing to the ignorant black church-going vote and now he's an elitist who disdains religion.

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Huh? So you believe that these people are so downtrodden that they have suddenly embraced issues they otherwise wouldn't care about were they to be better off. Forget that they have been concerned with gun rights forever. Or that they haven't just found religion (which they cling to). Or that they just want the existing laws enforced. Forget that Pennsylvania as a whole has above average income. So you too think they're a bunch of racist cracker morons (xenophobia, the polite word for racist, apparently)? What is going to effect a small decaying town more (forget that the decay occurred decades ago)?




Lemme see if I can parse through all this stupidity. While Pennsylvania may be richer on average than the rest of the US, that's due to the wealthy suburbs and the business centers in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, not the Rust Belt. Scranton and Philadelphia are as different as you can get. Nobody's saying that gun control isn't a legitimate topic of debate. Nor is Obama denigrating religion, which you of all people should know considering how much you slimed him for his pastor's beliefs. Nor is he saying that they suddenly starting caring about these issues. He's saying that these issues take up more prominence than they're due because of a sense of ingrained frustration: when your community is collapsing, your savings account is dwindling by the year, your sons and daughters are being killed in a senseless and cruel war, then yes, voting based upon a minor difference in gun control policies or voting against gay marriage as a primary issue is crazy and the reason that such behavior is so popular is because people have given up hope on solving the big issues so they try to have their voice heard where their opinions can change things. It's called a wedge issue; Republicans have exploited lots of voters by appealing to trivial issues("the Democrats are gonna take your guns away!" as if that'd ever happen) while selling them down the river on the big issues.

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Then again, I don't really think these people have been waiting for that message. They have moved on and their life doesn't suck half as much as the social worker crowd would have you believe. They are not bitter, they are not stupid and they don't want your fucking help, now piss off.




Yeah, because McCain did so well in Michigan, right? And of course they're happy as rain. Everything's hunky dory.  Have you ever visited towns like Flint Michigan or Scranton, Pennsylvania by chance?

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That isn't what he said at all. He said they were shunning HIM because of their xenophobia and because they are so beaten down they can only focus on nonsense. Stupid, in other words, as well as psychicly damaged. You are exactly the same kind of elitist that I despise. You don't tell me or anybody else what our interests are, we tell you. And only us.




He said nothing of the sort. And I won't even dignify the rest of this bullshit with a response.

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The hideous smear attack of accurately quoting a person. How awful of us. Nuance. You own the franchise. I generally don't do 10 second sound bites, now, do I?




You're being disingenuous- you consistently misconstrue his words. You either have the reading comprehension level of a 5th grader or you're willing to twist the truth out of spite.

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Somehow you seem to think that everybody who is not you is one person. Typical narcissist. I think that Barry goes to the Black Church out of political calculation, which is biting him in the dick right now, and that he probably does have a real contempt for the god botherers.




I'm not referring to "everyone who disagrees with me"; I'm referring to the Obama-lynchers on this forum and the concerted smear campaign against him. And what in God's name is a "God botherer"?


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