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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: johnm214]
    #8274561 - 04/12/08 06:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course it seems that way to you, duh. You're a Liberal. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, Libs don't even realize he did anything wrong. That's yet another facet of this situation that makes it such comedy gold, the gift that keeps on giving -- the fact that this enormous blunder just zings right over the heads of so many Liberal elitists. It's like, "Dude, what? What am I missing, here?"




I've been called worse, but I wouldn't consider myself to be a liberal. I'm not going to vote democratic as it stands now, w/ hillary and obama both distastefull to me, does that disqualify me? (I'll also not vote green or socialist)


I just think its much ado about nothing. Yes it was a bad thing to say if your trying to win PA, and it does sound condescending, but he's right insofar as the folks I know, who aren't that far from PA, and live very similarly to the areas he's refering to.




I don't recall writing that. I don't think it's from me.

If it's much ado about nothing then why he is he out there spinning like a top doing damage control? At any rate, Pennsylvania doesn't matter at all. The primary doesn't matter at all. All that matters is how he will be revealed as a condescending douche in the general. This is just mo' better evidence and the pile keeps growing.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8274591 - 04/12/08 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lol. An explanation is not spinning. I think Obama understands Pennsylvania fairly well, and quite honestly, this isn't going to hurt him. If Wright did not hurt him, I seriously doubt this will do a damn thing to him.

Also, to the posters suggesting that this is a "nail in the dem's coffin" or "howard dean is not effective" I laugh heavily at you.

Howard Dean's 50 state strategy is in full effect this elction cycle.
Democrats are poised to gain between 3 (The RNC's stated best case scenario) and 11 (The DNC's stated best case scenario) senate seats, 10-50 house seats, and Obama is polling ahead of McCain whenever he is not even the 100% nominee yet. Just wait until the GE when Obama turns the advertising dollars from small contributors against McCain.

and this is supposed to be the democrats failing?


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8274623 - 04/12/08 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You guys honestly think these folks converted from atheist gun control zealots to religious gun owners when the local textile factory closed its doors before you were born? That if that textile factory were still in operation, these folks wouldn't be going to church? They wouldn't own guns? They'd embrace illegal aliens? Nigga, please! These folks were doing all those same things back in the Fifties.






Has your reading comprehension degraded by such an extreme degree that you actually believe this was written anywhere in the piece?


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8274634 - 04/12/08 06:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you don't think Wright hurt him you really have absolutely zero grasp of politics. Sorry. You guys keep focusing on how this plays to registered Democrats. I don't give a rat's ass how it plays to the Dem faithful, they're already lost. It's everybody else in Flyover Country that will slobberknock his racist elitist ass in the general election. This will all come back to haunt him.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8274657 - 04/12/08 06:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

McCain leads both buttholes in Rasmussen Daily tracking polls and they have yet to fully reflect the effects of this faux pas;
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows John McCain with a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 47% to 43%. In a match-up with Hillary Clinton, the results are the same--McCain 47% Clinton 43% (see recent daily results).




The more the asshole is forced to open his mouth the more people will find out what an empty suit he is.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8274659 - 04/12/08 07:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Zappa, if Wright hurt him, why did his poll numbers vs. McCain go up AFTER the Wright controversy, and his poll numbers against Hillary reached its highest point?

And Obama isnt even RUNNING against McCain yet with even fractions of his campaign warchest.
I quite honestly think that you and lonestar and Phred will be shocked at this man's ability to hold an effective campaign to bring the things that the majority of Americans desire, such as a gradual withdrawal from Iraq, cheaper health care and a health care policy that makes sense, and an administration that accepts and promotes scientific research and technology.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8274662 - 04/12/08 07:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This is seriously retarded. I don't give a shit if Obama wins or loses, I'm pretty indifferent to the elections of the dumbest Place on Earth, but this is absolutely ridiculous. If anyone feels insulted it's due to their lack of understanding and it's just another sign of how horrible the education down there is, that this is being fussed about.




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LOL!

I'm not outraged. I'm amused. Greatly amused.

The spectacle of this hollow suit stepping on his dick is to be savored. It's freaking comedy gold. I'm grinning all over my face.




I'm truly sorry to say it, but that's extremely sad, about as pathetic and desperate as the thead's subject matter itself. There's a real world out there you know.


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Of course it seems that way to you, duh. You're a Liberal. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, Libs don't even realize he did anything wrong. That's yet another facet of this situation that makes it such comedy gold, the gift that keeps on giving -- the fact that this enormous blunder just zings right over the heads of so many Liberal elitists. It's like, "Dude, what? What am I missing, here?"



Do people in that idiotic country down there actually think of people as being separated into Liberals and Conservatives? Sounds like an over-politicized POS place to live. This issue is one of "common" sense, but if you actually associate your identity with a political persuasion then its obvious that common sense would be long foregone.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8274672 - 04/12/08 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't recall writing that. I don't think it's from me.




sorry zappa, that was a quote from phred.

I don't know how your name got in the reply to field


(must have been the liberal media)
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If you don't think Wright hurt him you really have absolutely zero grasp of politics. Sorry. You guys keep focusing on how this plays to registered Democrats.





I do think wright hurt him, but that was at least related to someone he considers close to him who is fucking crazy, and crazy in RE: to shit that bears upon the country.l

Whether or not obama thinks people cling to religion or guns or xenophobia in response to depression doesn't really seem relevant. It isn't a smart thing to say, but its probably somewhat true, and probably nothing to do with how he would govern, besides perhaps a slight against guns, religion, and racism, depending on how you interpret the comment.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8274680 - 04/12/08 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Zappa, if Wright hurt him, why did his poll numbers vs. McCain go up AFTER the Wright controversy, and his poll numbers against Hillary reached its highest point?




Bullshit. He was leading McCain before and Hillary by more than he is now.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history
And we haven't even begun to lash this particular mule.
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And Obama isnt even RUNNING against McCain yet with even fractions of his campaign warchest.




And no Republicans are running against Barry yet either, if he should be the nominee.
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I quite honestly think that you and lonestar and Phred will be shocked at this man's ability to hold an effective campaign to bring the things that the majority of Americans desire, such as a gradual withdrawal from Iraq, cheaper health care and a health care policy that makes sense, and an administration that accepts and promotes scientific research and technology.




We'll see, won't we?


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8274709 - 04/12/08 07:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

None of this bullshit matters. He lost Pennsylvania when he bowled a 37. :lol:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8275537 - 04/12/08 11:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Phred


:rofl2:

Just some "Typical BITTER White people." Phred :grin:



Obama has just lost Pennsylvania,  I wonder how the Guns and god comments will play in North Carolina?:grin:?:grin:


could Obama lose North Carolina over this?


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8275556 - 04/12/08 11:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd imagine anyone voting democratic doesn't care about guns anyways, or at least not much

Voting for hillary over obama for gun control reasons would be kinda strange, though I don't doubt there's some ignoramus who would do it, the pro gun people I know are a little more educated on the politicians than that... and kinda realize voting for democrats is a vote against any gun besides a hunting rifle


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8276848 - 04/13/08 10:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Obama has just lost Pennsylvania,  I wonder how the Guns and god comments will play in North Carolina?:grin:?:grin:


could Obama lose North Carolina over this?




Time will tell.  Some people are upset:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/12/235217/877

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Dear Senator Obama:

This week at a fundraiser in San Francisco you denigrated people who live in small town America saying that "they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiments or anti-trade sentiments as a way to explain their frustrations."

We are from small town America - we are the people you are talking about, the people you say are leading "bitter" lives. Well, Senator Obama, nothing could be further from the truth. Here in small town America we lead productive lives full of belief in God and country. We live in communities where we go to church because we are hopeful, not because we are bitter. We believe that our passion for fair trade is born out of the principle of fair play, not frustration. We believe that the future of our country is bright and reflected every day in the stars and stripes of our country's flag.

We need a leader who will stand up for small town North Carolina and all Americans. Someone who understands that we are a resilient and hopeful people who are proud of our values and our communities. That, Senator Obama, is what this country needs.

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Followed by an extensive list of probable Klansmen.

This has yet to fully hit the fan and when it does we shall see.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8276857 - 04/13/08 10:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ace has this to say:

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Is there another person on the face of the earth Hillary could call an elitist without exploding in a fiery ball of spontaneous irony?




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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8276941 - 04/13/08 11:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Today's Rasmussen daily tracking report:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll



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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows John McCain leading Barack Obama, 50% to 42%. In a match-up with Hillary Clinton, the results are the same--McCain 49% Clinton 41%. McCain now leads both Democrats among unaffiliated voters. Daily tracking results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time (see recent daily results). Rasmussen Markets data shows that Democrats are given a 59.6 % chance of winning the White House this year.

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Clinton has gained a statistically-insignificant one-point advantage over Obama, 46% to 45%. Obama led by a significant margin for most of the past week, but his advantage had declined slightly even before his controversial remarks from San Francisco made news (see recent daily results).

Rasmussen Reports is surveying voters this weekend for reaction to Obama’s remarks. Preliminary indications from interviews with 400 Likely Voters suggest that the comments are troublesome for Republicans and unaffiliated voters. However, there is less of an impact among Democrats. That tends to confirm the growing consensus that the comments may have more impact on the General Election than the Primaries.(note: I don't know why this is a "growing consensus". I thought it was obvious from the get go)

The preliminary data also suggests that Obama was shrewd to try and focus attention on the portion of the comments about people being bitter. That part of the message is well received. The reference to guns, religion, and immigration that creates potential problems. Rasmussen Markets data still gives Obama an 83.7 % chance of winning the Democratic nomination.

Overall, among all voters nationwide, McCain is viewed favorably by 55% and unfavorably by 42%. Obama’s ratings have fallen to 48% favorable and 50% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 46% favorable, 51% unfavorable (see recent daily results).

Obama’s favorable ratings peaked at 56% in mid-February and stayed above 50% for another month until the comments of his former Pastor Jeremiah Wright made news. By late March, Obama’s favorable ratings had fallen ten points from their peak to 46%. But, as March became April, his ratings began to recover and moved back above the 50% mark for ten straight days until today. Obama is currently viewed favorably by 45% of unaffiliated voters and 44% of White voters.





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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8277174 - 04/13/08 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lol. Rassmussen always seems to run above the average of the polls as far as dems vs. republicans. Here's gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106432/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-49-42.aspx

Obama +3


And here is something that will hurt McCain:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2008_north_carolina_presidential_election

Obama and McCain are polling each at 47% in NORTH CAROLINA.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: supernovasky]
    #8277292 - 04/13/08 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From the Gallup:

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The latest results are based on interviews with national Democratic primary voters conducted April 9-11 and represent Obama's sixth straight day of leading Clinton by a significant margin in Gallup Poll Daily tracking reports. Obama's lead is substantially narrower in the two most recent days of interviews, however, suggesting the race could tighten in the coming days.




This doesn't reflect the effect of the last two days.  Also, Gallup polls registered voters and Rasmussen polls likely voters.  In regard to the Rasmussen poll that shows Barry even with McCain after Mac had a big lead, there are two issues. 
1.  Barry has been campaigning there lately.  No surprise.
2.  It doesn't take the latest faux pas into account.  From my link (April 13)
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Polling data released Saturday from North Carolina shows he is now in a toss-up with McCain (the poll was completed before his San Francisco comments made the news).




We'll see.:cool:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8277341 - 04/13/08 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8277419 - 04/13/08 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...Cousin'-Pokin' Inbred Hillbilly Racist Morons

From  http://ace.mu.nu/archives/259984.php

Well, it is what he said, more or less.

Actually he said this at a San Fransisco fundraiser (of course), but I can't wait 'till Pennsylvanians hear about this. Obama on the "resentments" of small-town Pennsylvanians:


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You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.




Nevermind all that stalking and sodomizing of city-slickers from Atlanta.

This isn't Obama "misspeaking," either. Remember, in that speech on race -- the greatest speech since Abraham Lincoln -- he first seemed to allow that white Americans had legitimate complaints about affirmative action and black crime rates, but then claimed those frustrations were actually misdirected anger about corporations.

This is pure leftist cant -- it's all "false consciousness" stuff, all what our Corporate Masters want us to think, playing us all against each other as they line their pockets with our sweat and tears.

Guns, border security, even religion itself aren't really legitimate points of interest. Instead they're all part of the "culture of fear" indoctrinated into us by the corporate emperors really running this country.

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Much, much more at the link. Click it.... you know you want to.



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So funny to me that when politicos lie and spout pure crap everybody smiles and claps like idiots but if someone tells the truth for a minute everybody freaks out.:monkeydance:


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8277422 - 04/13/08 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Blah blah blah Iraq. Are you advocating a draft? Of course you are, you're a fascist. Do you have anything remotely relevant to the actual topic of the thread?

I am quite familiar with small town life. They are neither smarter nor dumber than urban people. They choose to live in small towns for assorted reasons. One ignorant (or not so ignorant) one is that they think urban people are self-absorbed unfriendly douchebags who walk past the unfortunate while exclaiming "Why doesn't somebody DO something?" You know, limousine liberals. What has always amazed me is that people who do nothing but talk and march are deemed "activists". Now that's some world class irony right there.

And people are religious and "cling" to their guns because they are bitter and downtrodden by the "Man"? They've done that for centuries. They want the immigration laws (you know, the ones that already exist) enforced because somehow the Rust Belt factories were closed down 30 years ago because of the Mexican influx? Cue the Deliverance banjo.

Barry has a very revealing habit of whining that people who don't vote for him are too stupid to appreciate his message of collectivist crap. I say, no, Barry, we will not vote for you because we are too smart to buy the same old gummint savior bullshit you're trying to blow up our ass. There is nothing Changey about Barry. He's John Kerry in blackface.

Oh yeah, and Barry hates Whitey, too. "White Greed, Black Need." And the CIA made AIDS to kill black men. Unless the Whitey in question is an unrepentant terrorist. Then he is cool.


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