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Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' ...
    #8270566 - 04/11/08 07:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

...Cousin'-Pokin' Inbred Hillbilly Racist Morons

From http://ace.mu.nu/archives/259984.php

Well, it is what he said, more or less.

Actually he said this at a San Fransisco fundraiser (of course), but I can't wait 'till Pennsylvanians hear about this. Obama on the "resentments" of small-town Pennsylvanians:


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You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.




Nevermind all that stalking and sodomizing of city-slickers from Atlanta.

This isn't Obama "misspeaking," either. Remember, in that speech on race -- the greatest speech since Abraham Lincoln -- he first seemed to allow that white Americans had legitimate complaints about affirmative action and black crime rates, but then claimed those frustrations were actually misdirected anger about corporations.

This is pure leftist cant -- it's all "false consciousness" stuff, all what our Corporate Masters want us to think, playing us all against each other as they line their pockets with our sweat and tears.

Guns, border security, even religion itself aren't really legitimate points of interest. Instead they're all part of the "culture of fear" indoctrinated into us by the corporate emperors really running this country.

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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' ... [Re: Phred]
    #8270666 - 04/11/08 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Phred said:

Well, it is what he said, more or less.




No it isn't. It can't even be misinterpreted to be anything similar to that, only pretended to be by those who really, really, try hard and who are wanting so badly to believe this candidate will not succeed that they are willing to delude themselves. There's not even any appeal for votes there, disguised, undisguised, or otherwise implied.



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And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.




That's an insightful observation from Obama.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' ... [Re: Phred]
    #8270677 - 04/11/08 07:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


Obama Said:
"antipathy to people who aren't like them"


Does Obama mean Typical White People"?


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8270766 - 04/11/08 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I dunno, he kinda speaks to my prejudices as well, so I guess I'm in agreement w/ him.

I don't know about the gun part, but people do tend to cling to there own culture, which guns may be a part of.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8271558 - 04/11/08 11:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/260003.php
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Obama Tries Damage Control; Epic Fail



To be honest that vid isn't as good as Allah's deconstruction of it. Pay attention to Obama's attempt to limit the "gaffe" to calling people "bitter." http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/11/obama-tries-to-change-the-subject-im-out-of-touch/

Dude, that's the least of it and you know it. You came this close to saying "Religion is the opiate of the masses." You strongly implied that people "cling to their religion" only due to economic desperation, and not out of faith at all.

Allah and I were emailing about this and I said, "Well, you know, they all think that. It's the What's the Matter With Kansas? theory that has such a grip on the liberal mindset. They can't comprehend why people aren't gung-ho for socialism, so they postulate that people are 'distracted' and 'divided' by sinister forces injecting 'phony issues' (like God) into politics to keep them from voting for socialism."

Which is, yes, itself pretty much just a re-wording of "Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Will this hurt Obama? I doubt it, as far as the primaries go. Because, once again: Almost all liberals believe this. Obama was just stupid enough to say it before a primary. So he'll get all the liberal votes he was going to get anyway; quite frankly, his voters won't even understand what the fuss is all about. Why shouldn't Obama say it? It's true, isn't it? Downtrodden, uneducated, backwoods smoked-porcupine-pie type people (that would be you and me) of course cling to simple concepts their tiny brains can grasp -- guns, God, patriotism, the lot of it -- because we're just not capable of understanding the complexities of a functioning socialist economic system on the European model.

The only way this hurts him is if superdelegates now realize he cannot win in November, and begin flipping for Lance Corporal Hillary Clinton. But I doubt that will happen, and anyway, the Democratic party cannot afford to not nominate Barack Obama at this point.

I don't want to say that Obama is now unelectable but he's coming perilously close to that point.




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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8271623 - 04/11/08 11:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From http://ace.mu.nu/archives/259993.php

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Obama Sends Actor Ronnie Cox To Mend Fences With Small-Town Folks

An emissary of hope. And change. And banjo.




It's patriotic, too, y'all. You heard Yankee Doodle Dandy in there, right?




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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8271681 - 04/11/08 11:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How bad is this gaffe? Well, even Hillary Clinton hacks are calling it condescending, and liberal spinner Kirsten Powers admits there are some things liberals say to each other when "among friends" that just don't play so well in King of Prussia or Beaverton.

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“It comes off very badly,” Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers said of the small-town America remarks. “They are things that I think in a liberal world sound totally normal, and outside of that world I don’t know that he appreciates how it sounds. And it just sounds very elitist, and it sounds like he’s looking down on people.”




Which is interesting:

What other sorts of things do you liberals say to each other behind closed doors, Ms. Powers?

Why it's almost as if you have one way of speaking among the progressive elite and another language entirely for the rubes you'd presume to govern.

And which manner of speaking represents your real beliefs and expresses your real agenda? It's a mystery we'll never quite be able to puzzle out, I'm sure.

From http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/11/obama-on-small-town-voters-bitter-xenophobic-religious/ --

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What’s most offensive? The condescension displayed here by the intelligentsia’s candidate of choice? The sheer breadth of the stereotype, which would send Team Obama screaming from the rooftops if a white politician drew a similarly sweeping caricature of blacks? The crude quasi-Marxist reductionism of his analysis, which he first introduced in his speech on race vis-a-vis the root causes of whites’ “resentment” — namely, exploitation by the bourgeoisie in the form of corporations and D.C. lobbyists? Or is it the shocking inclusion of religion, of all things, in the litany of sins he recites? What on earth is that doing there, given His Holiness’s repeated invocations of the virtues of faith on the trail? Note the choice of verb, too. Why not just go the whole nine yards and call it the opiate of the masses?

If you missed the Standard’s post a few weeks ago on the various complaints about “distractions” that creep into Obama’s rhetoric, read it now. http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/obama_its_all_a_distraction.asp This is of a piece with it. Everything in the Obama universe, including gun rights evidently, that doesn’t fit his agenda is a byproduct of external forces conspiring to manipulate the masses to keep his agenda at bay. Exit question: How does Hillary leverage this? Does she dare get the video and stick it in an ad?






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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8271888 - 04/12/08 12:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not a gaffe as per its definition of the word as it was sincere, truthful, and he's standing behind the comment 100% - as he should, it's an astute thing to take note of. It's a desperate move for McCain and the the beast Clinton to try and spin it, and it makes the two out to be morons for not understanding and amazingly opposing a truthful statement which showed that actual notice and consideration was being given to these people.

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TERRE HAUTE, Indiana (CNN) –- Barack Obama was forced Friday to defend comments he made at a recent fundraiser where he described some Pennsylvanians as "bitter."

Obama came under fire from Hillary Clinton and John McCain for his remarks just weeks before the Pennsylvania primary.

"When I go around and I talk to people, there is frustration, and there is anger, and there is bitterness," Obama began. "I want to make a point here."

"[Pennsylvanians are] frustrated and for good reason, because for the last 25 years they’ve seen jobs shipped overseas, they’ve seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs, they’ve lost their pensions. They’ve lost their health care."

Obama then said that politicians from both sides of the aisle have promised answers but that "nothing ever happens."

"So…they don’t vote on economic because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them," Obama said, adding that they end up voting on issues that include gun rights, gay marriage, and faith.

He then directly hit Clinton and McCain, mocking their earlier attacks.

"Here’s what’s rich," Obama said. "Sen. Clinton says, 'Well I don’t think people are bitter in Pennsylvania. I think Barack’s being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? He’s obviously out of touch with people. '"

"Out of touch?" Obama said. "I mean, John McCain, it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch?"

"Sen. Clinton voted for a credit card sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch?"

He concluded his argument by telling the audience that it is, in fact, the opposite.

"No. I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania, I know what’s going on in Indiana, [and] I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed up."


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I think that response of Obama's is going far too easy on them. The reaction they gave his earlier remark is the result of unintelligence.



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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8271899 - 04/12/08 12:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Obama is an ass.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8271931 - 04/12/08 12:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Having lived in the midwest for 22 of my 23 years, I can attest that what he says is completely true.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8271942 - 04/12/08 12:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

gaffe: an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder

It was the gaffe to end all gaffes. Obama just insulted the hell out of a gigantic chunk of voters. He's fucking toast.

What's even worse was his lame-ass attempt at damage control, where it is so painfully obvious he's dancing all around the offensive comment, trying to pretend the whole issue is about his claim that people are bitter, and oh.... look over there! McCain once said something bad!

He's fucking doomed. This is the kind of gift that just keeps on giving.

Watching these two Dem morons beclown themselves would be ever so much more satisfying if McCain weren't the Republican candidate.





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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Redstorm]
    #8271952 - 04/12/08 01:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this entire thread smacks of desperation.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8271976 - 04/12/08 01:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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gaffe: an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder



Indeed. The remark was intentional, and he is not embarrassed by it, as he is standing behind it. Therefore it is not a gaffe, as per the definition of the word.




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It was the gaffe to end all gaffes. Obama just insulted the hell out of a gigantic chunk of voters. He's fucking toast.

What's even worse was his lame-ass attempt at damage control, where it is so painfully obvious he's dancing all around the offensive comment, trying to pretend the whole issue is about his claim that people are bitter, and oh.... look over there! McCain once said something bad!

He's fucking doomed. This is the kind of gift that just keeps on giving.





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this entire thread smacks of desperation.




And I can say that as a non-Obama supporter.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8271996 - 04/12/08 01:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The remark was intentional, and he is not embarrassed by it, as he is standing behind it.




You are saying he deliberately set out to insult a vast chunk of the American electorate?

Even worse, then.




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    #8272000 - 04/12/08 01:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you think it is an insult then you don't understand the comment. It is an objective observation. Any feigned insult is being interjected by the reader, who would certainly not be voting for Obama in the first place.


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Phred]
    #8272001 - 04/12/08 01:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the truth hurts?


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Re: Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8272027 - 04/12/08 01:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you think it is an insult then you don't understand the comment. It is an objective observation.




Oh, right. Because you know, if only there were more jobs in small towns they'd turn in their guns, become atheists, welcome illegal immigrants with open arms, ignore the international trade debates and stop being a bunch of racists.

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Any feigned insult is being interjected by the reader, who would certainly not be voting for Obama in the first place.




Well, there are certainly going to be a whole hell of a lot of Americans in small towns who won't be voting for him now, that's for sure.





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    #8272030 - 04/12/08 01:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like an insult to me. Whether you, or him, regard it as the truth is irrelevant. He insulted millions of people.

I dont think it will matter in the end, he will still get elected.


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    #8272042 - 04/12/08 01:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not an insult if it is true. It has nothing to do with who perceives what; it matter what actually is.


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    #8272074 - 04/12/08 01:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Things that are true can be insults of course (Im not advocating what he said is true though).

You call a retarded person retarded, thats in insult. You call an ugly person ugly, thats an insult. The way he phrased it was most definitely an insult. He insulted anyone who believes in gun ownership, god, bigotry, closed borders or protectionist trade policies. And he further pushed the insult by blanketing people with those claims, insinuating that one of thoes attributes implies the others. Finally he patronizes them by saying he understands why they are so bitter and ignorant.

Sounds like its full of (left-wing) perception and insult to me.


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