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Re: 2nd amendment, does it provide a personal right? Regulation of that right? Discussion of law [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
It says "The State needs an Army, SO the people should be armed."

...But in my interpretation the right to bear arms is inextricably linked to service in some kind of WELL-REGULATED armed body. Not a right given to an individual citizen to do with as he may.


Funny. I read the amendment the exact same way, but I feel quite differently about the meaning of that reading.
To me that means that the Founders, who had just come through a revolution against a massive standing army, recognized that the new country would need its own standing army to remain an independent nation. Seeing this as a necessary evil, the founders sought to protect the people from the possible tyranny that could be wrought by that standing army.

To me this means that any arms that are available to that standing army should be available to the people in general. Arms meaning weapons, as it always has in English. (A brief etymology or arms; from Middle English armes, weapons, from Old French, pl. of arme, weapon, from Latin arma, weapons. Hell there wasn't such thing as a gun when Romans were walking around calling swords and pikes arma.) Had the founders intended arms to mean specifically guns, they would have specified "guns" or "firearms" instead of "arms".
I am against gun licensing, as I am against the licensing of any rights. (The fact that you need a license to assemble in some places is crap. The fact that you need a license to drive on public roads is not.)
I am against taking arms away from anyone, including felons, by any judicial decree, past the sentence itself. A judge cannot take away one's first, fourth, or fifth amendment rights once one is out of prison and off parole, and second amendment rights should be no different.
I see the restriction of concealed carry as semi-acceptable, but open carry should be allowed in all public places.

Edited to answer more of the original post.


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Re: 2nd amendment, does it provide a personal right? Regulation of that right? Discussion of law [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I think anyone who had done any reasonable amount of reading on the times in which the constitution and bill of rights were formed wouldn't have much debate as to what it all means.. We're allowed to have guns to protect us from our own government.. This debate is mainstream again because evil men are working to take away our rights.

I say every time this kind of thing becomes a bid deal in the media, I advise you to go buy a gun.


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Re: 2nd amendment, does it provide a personal right? Regulation of that right? Discussion of law [Re: MistaUNGA]
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MistaUNGA said:
SoY said:
To me, "arms" would include edged weapons, blunt weapons, firearms and whatever else could be carried with the purpose of inflicting damage.


No, they are not arms. They are weapons. Arms means firearms. Which was defined above.


'arms' can include anything from rocks and prehistoric weapons up
to the nukes we have today, the phrase 'take up arms' came about
long before gunpowder


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Re: 2nd amendment, does it provide a personal right? Regulation of that right? Discussion of law [Re: Ziggen]
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> I am against taking arms away from anyone

What about the crazy (literally insane) guy at the end of the street that keeps rambling about you and your family being shape shifting lizards that must be destroyed before you can suck the brains out of more humans? The doctors at the asylum assure us that he is safe as long as he keeps taking his medication; he hasn't killed in years.


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Re: 2nd amendment, does it provide a personal right? Regulation of that right? Discussion of law [Re: Seuss]
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I say we give him more guns, the reptillians arent gonna just kill themselves


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Re: 2nd amendment, does it provide a personal right? Regulation of that right? Discussion of law [Re: Seuss]
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oh Icke? He just does it for attention, don't worry bout him



I of course think that guns can be taken. Just like every other right. Their should be strict scrutiny and a probable dangerousness that is being averted though, if the deprivation isn't incidental to another punishment, i.e. jail, halfway house that bans guns, et cet...



And Prisner, arms may mean nukes today, but when the amendment was radified I believe reasonable people would giver the word the meaning I do- above. I think the word arms is relativly static, though compossing more than possible in that day, the definition is set.





I'm not a crazy originalist but I don't think it makes sense to apply the word arms to a meaning it has today, since we didn't ratify the amendment.

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