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InvisibleZippoZM
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one of my big problems with american business and society....
    #8268356 - 04/11/08 06:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

as a capitalist, you would probably be supprised to hear this from me. regardless....

I hate the fact that the rights, data, and information, from government funded studies can be bought out and made secret by private businesses.

it drives me crazy.


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Re: one of my big problems with american business and society.... [Re: ZippoZ]
    #8268389 - 04/11/08 07:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What exactly do you mean....like a government contractor created a snazzy new electronic something, and then when the government was done with it, it was sold in the commercial market?

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Re: one of my big problems with american business and society.... [Re: Boom]
    #8269716 - 04/11/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He's talking about the results of scientific studies

For example, a company can buy the results from a study that indicates their product is dangerous.


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Re: one of my big problems with american business and society.... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8269915 - 04/11/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:wtf:

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Re: one of my big problems with american business and society.... [Re: Cameron]
    #8269963 - 04/11/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ok... hypothetical example:

Company X makes snack cakes, which contain lots of saturated fat.

A government-funded study determines that saturated fat is very unhealthy to consume.

Company X purchases the data collected in the study from the organization that conducted it, and the results are never revealed to the general public.

The general public continues to buy the snack cakes because they do not know they are hazardous to their health.


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Re: one of my big problems with american business and society.... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8270066 - 04/11/08 03:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think the bigger problem than that is the fact that stuides produced with public funds are copywritten, which is bullshit.

The actual text should not be able to be protected if funding was derived from public sources, or sources that distribute funds for public institutions.

It should be considered a work of the government.

If people do their own research w/ their own money, fine, but its bullshit you need to buy a couple thousand dollar institutional subscription, or an equally outrageous individual subscription, to read results from a publically funded study.

A compromise could be that a results and method section must be made publicaly available, without copywrite, while the discussion/conclusions could be copywritten, as these are more works of the individual mind rather than a result of the study.
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Re: one of my big problems with american business and society.... [Re: johnm214]
    #8270230 - 04/11/08 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is Canadian government/business in the same boat? :undecided:

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Re: one of my big problems with american business and society.... [Re: Cameron]
    #8288895 - 04/15/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this is why we have open source science :thumbup:

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