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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Nerotik]
    #8267755 - 04/11/08 01:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I see what you're saying, and that's how I've always thought. Now I feel more like being in a natural state is the best way for me.

Using artificial aids to feel certain ways just doesn't appeal to me anymore. If I'm on E and I feel happy and I love everything, well that's great, I like feeling that way. But it doesn't mean anything. Once it wears off I feel the same way I did before. I don't want to need anything to feel good, and I'm working on that. Even naturally occurring drugs don't really appeal to me anymore, I feel like they are taking me in the opposite direction, away from clarity and real happiness.


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: mayfly]
    #8267776 - 04/11/08 02:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer sobriety now. Pretty much for the same reasons as mayfly listed... I find it much more rewarding to have a clear mind now, I can imagine and visualize things much better if I'm not intoxicated.


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: mayfly]
    #8267786 - 04/11/08 02:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I see what you're saying, and that's how I've always thought. Now I feel more like being in a natural state is the best way for me.





Exactly.  :thumbup:  I seek to know myself authentically in my raw state of being, and work with that.

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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Nerotik]
    #8267794 - 04/11/08 02:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: MOTH]
    #8267797 - 04/11/08 02:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Intoxicated socialization is one of those things I can't even begin to discuss without feelinf hypocritical and depressed

I enjoy hanging out sober, but it seems I can only do that with a select few people


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #8267824 - 04/11/08 02:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i've been sober and i much prefer being a head, i smoke everyday but i handle my shit so what's the problem, but if thats not for you than that's chill, it all comes down to what helps you sleep at night.


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: doitagain]
    #8267839 - 04/11/08 02:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

True, different strokes and all that


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: MOTH]
    #8267888 - 04/11/08 02:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm kind of in the opposite state right now.

I've been sober for over 4 months, but not really by choice. (Aside from tobacco because I am a straight up nicotine fiend). But I recently moved to bumfuck and here in bumfuck I haven't been able to find weed anywhere. Now, I've been smoking weed more or less every day or 3 times a day since I was about 15. So that's 11 years of virtually nonstop pot smoking, and I haven't so much as touched a bud in almost 5 months. Which is a pretty big deal.

But it's not like I need to smoke pot. I've done perfectly fine without it. It's just that sometimes, I really, really, really want to.. but can't, which is frustrating. Sometimes after coming home from a long hard day at work... a fat bong rip is just what the doctor ordered. Now, I do realize the other side of it too, pot.. like anything.. can be abused.. and when done in excess (which I am well acquainted with) becomes less of an "enhancement" and more of a "fuel". There is that pot haze that every stoner is familiar with.

But used in moderation ganja is a wonderful gift from god. That's how I see it. You want to talk about being in a natural state... me... in a forest... munching on some nuts and berries... puffing on a spliff of dank around a fire and building a yurt out of sticks. That's natural. What's not natural, is.. people driving cars, in the city, going to work for some fortune 500 corporation.

It's all about intentions. Used as a crutch, anything can become detrimental, even pot. But I consider my drugs sacred, and I try and treat them as such. Shamans in the Amazon and elsewhere have used Ayahuasca for their spirit journeys and religious ceremonies for thousands of years. I use mushrooms in a very similar fashion. They are a catalyst for my spiritual growth. Can I grow spiritually without mushrooms? Sure, I do all the time. But used as a tool for enhancement and development, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And I have a great time while on them. Pot, I see as more of an enhancing plant, a medicine. Because, well.. it is a medicine. A very wonderful plant indeed with thousands of practical uses. It helps me soothe the savage beast within and provides some level of introspection. It is a luxury, like many other things in life. I meditate daily and no doubt that is a wonderful tool for my mental clarity and focus and exploring within. But I feel like pot is only a detriment (for me) when used chronically and mindlessly, used in moderation it is an amazing herb to 'take the edge off'. I believe in the healing power of many herbs when used in conjunction with a healthy diet and mind. But the universe put that plant on Earth and life is for enjoying, and I enjoy it.

But that's just me. Drugs effect everyone differently as far as I can tell, and some people don't need them. That's cool, everyone has free will of choice. Different strokes for different folks. There is certainly nothing wrong with sobriety, but I do not take for granted the preciousness of altered states of consciousness either. Just don't LIVE in those states. You need balance.

As far as social interaction goes, I do tend to function better in a group while sober. Pot tends to make me more introverted. For some people it does the opposite. Alcohol, I do not like, ever since I was about 18 and drank way to much of it way to often. As far as I'm concerned it's poison, but I do indulge once every blue moon.. in moderation of course. Alcohol is another beast entirely, one that has some of its own benefits but it widely over-abused in our culture. I do understand where you are coming from though with that whole... people using it a social crutch. But things are just neutral and they only become good or bad when you attach a polarity to it.


That turned into an essay, but that summarizes how I feel on this subject. I could probably go on for hours. But I'm rambling and on 48 hours without sleep (no drugs).


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8267906 - 04/11/08 02:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Damn, nice post :thumbup:


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8267910 - 04/11/08 02:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I appreciate your essay.  :grin:

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I believe in the healing power of many herbs when used in conjunction with a healthy diet and mind.




I totally agree with that.  My own problem with weed was that I was not using it as a sacrement, like I do with mushrooms or LSD and like you describe.  I was nullifying myself with it to the point where it started biting back at me, becoming abrasive.  Maybe one day I'll be able to enjoy it in moderation but until then I'd like to get it all out of my system and see how I feel then. 

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What's not natural, is.. people driving cars, in the city, going to work for some fortune 500 corporation.





Yeah, speaking of, I just realized today how much I CAN'T STAND working in an office environment.  Just feels so claustrophobic for me.  And I do love my bike.

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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8267920 - 04/11/08 02:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Whoa, five months? 

You're going to get soooo hiiiiiigh when you take your next hit.  :thumbup:

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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: MOTH]
    #8267924 - 04/11/08 02:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah the first time i blazed after 4 months sober it was almost like tripping


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: MOTH]
    #8267952 - 04/11/08 02:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I totally agree with that.  My own problem with weed was that I was not using it as a sacrement, like I do with mushrooms or LSD and like you describe.  I was nullifying myself with it to the point where it started biting back at me, becoming abrasive.  Maybe one day I'll be able to enjoy it in moderation but until then I'd like to get it all out of my system and see how I feel then. 




Yes that is exactly what I was talking about. When smoking weed becomes less of a sacrament and more of a chronic pot smoking.... "I do it because that's what I do every day" sort of thing, with no real method behind the madness. Then it just becomes a haze and you build a tolerance and it just doesn't have the same magical properties. A break can do wonders. I neglected to mention I've smoked pretty much every day for the past 11 years, aside from a few week long breaks here and there to "clear my head". It helps you appreciate it that much more. But coming back into it this time, my longest break ever.. I will do my best to respect it and not abuse it. For pot is easy to abuse.. unlike mushrooms.. if you take those all the time they will kick you in the astral ass and make you go loopy and make it KNOWN they are sacred, at least for me. It's all about finding the balance. Now I do mushrooms maybe, twice a year.


And yeah.. that first hit is going to send me spiralling into psychedlia :laugh:


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8267967 - 04/11/08 03:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Pot is the easiest drug to abuse, IMO.


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: bmiles]
    #8267972 - 04/11/08 03:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I disagree, I think refined sugar is.

But yeah.. in the world of illegal 'narcotics', definitely.


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: MOTH]
    #8267981 - 04/11/08 03:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i appreciate sobriety for what it is and feel that it works best with certain times. however, i also enjoy letting go and finding an escape from social anxieties in inebriation.


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8267990 - 04/11/08 03:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It's all about finding the balance. 




So true.  With every drug I've indulged in, there comes a point of "overdoing it," even with psychedelics.  I seem to have a hard time discovering what the balance is unless I go too far, which pretty much guarantees I will be given a dramatic lesson in moderation and balance on the soul level that pushes me back the other direction. 

/learns things the hard way.  :wink: :tongue:

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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #8267993 - 04/11/08 03:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Diversity is the spice of life!


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8267995 - 04/11/08 03:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

dude, if i were to claim a motto to represent my attitude towards life, that would definitely be one of the final contestants.


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Re: Anyone else here prefer sobriety? [Re: MOTH]
    #8267998 - 04/11/08 03:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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/learns things the hard way.  :wink: :tongue:




You're not alone!

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