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Re: Noob casing question! [Re: sturmer88]
#8248370 - 04/06/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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sturmer88 said: I'm trying my first casing also with 60/40 verm coir. I put a small casing layer at the bottom instead of straight verm. Then I cut my Pint cake into 3 parts and then covered the 3 pieces with the casing about 1/4-1/2 inch above the tops of the cakes. I didn't dunk my cakes or put them in the fridge cause I would think this would trigger fruiting early since I still need to incubate longer once the casing was finished. It's been 4 days and I'm finally getting Myc poking through the top.
I'm gonna give it another day maybe 2 at the most. Since I've read that 7 days is the most you should go for to prevent overlay.
As for Poking holes in the foil. I found that once I did this it seemed to quicken the colonization. But I have the plastic cap loosely over the container to shield from contams. I also lined the plastic container with foil to prevent bottom pinning or side pinning.
I'm not one to give advice being a casing noob myself but I hope I helped in some way by letting you know what worked for me.
A few mistakes (non essential) here.
Do not line with foil, it reflects light, making the problem as bad or worse. Use black trash bags, which have the advantages of not being dissolved by the mycelium, not reflecting light and they also stick to the substrate as it shrinks. Also, no no on bottom casing.
Cold (as in cold shocking) is not a pinning trigger for P. Cubensis. So putting it in the fridge would not hasten pinning, in fact it would slow everything down.
Dunking would have filled the mycelium cells full of water that could then have been used to make fruits grow. And it isn't a pinning trigger per se either.
Then there are two issues that are about a matter of preference.
Coir is a thing of the past for casing layers. It is used as a substrate now, except for a few faithfuls.
Why did you choose to slice instead of crumble?
GL with the grow.
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sturmer88
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Re: Noob casing question! [Re: Nibin]
#8248809 - 04/06/08 10:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I choose to slice instead of crumble because I've read in many forums that if you crumble it can make excess stress on the Myc network to re-start colonization. I may have explained myself wrong but thats how I took it.
As for foil reflecting light. I have the container in a black trash bag in a dark incubator so reflecting light is the least of my worries. Once I'm ready to fruit obviously the foil is discarded.
I think cold shocking in the fridge I've only had experience with cakes. I think different strains react differently. I've noticed PESA and Texans seem to benefit from Dunking in the fridge. I've gotten pins withing 1-2 days after dunking in the fridge with PESA and TEXAN but with GT or KSS and sometimes Oaxaca. I've seen no faster fruiting.
I cant say with casing. Since this is also my first time, but no, I don't plan on cold shocking my PESA Casing. Or even dunking.
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Re: Noob casing question! *DELETED* [Re: sturmer88]
#8248812 - 04/06/08 10:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Noob casing question! [Re: deadatdusk]
#8248818 - 04/06/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dunking is good for fruit growth even if it isn't a direct pinning trigger.
The reason it is done in the fridge is to avoid bacterial bloom though, not for cold shocking.
It is species that live in colder climates that require a cold shock, P. Cubensis is tropical/subtropical.
And as I said, the cutting versus crumbling is more of a personal choice than anything else.
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Re: Noob casing question! [Re: Nibin]
#8249463 - 04/07/08 03:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tried dunking some cakes at room temp and then dunking others in the fridge on my first grow and I noticed that the ones I dunked in the fridge fruited much quicker.
I was using PESA cakes at the time. I've heard it does better by cold shocking. From what I've read different strains react differently. Same with Texans. I dunked in the fridge and the very next day I got humongous fruits starting to pin.
While I've read that others can stall and take longer to fruit after dunking in the fridge. My Texans and PESA started to fruit immediately and my KSS and GT still arn't fruiting after 4-5 days.
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Re: Noob casing question! [Re: sturmer88]
#8249975 - 04/07/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I imagine you were working from spores, not an isolated culture.
That means you can't really compare as there will be a different set of genetics in each jar.
In any case here is some additional reading. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5599154#5599154
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Re: Noob casing question! [Re: Nibin]
#8253640 - 04/07/08 11:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your right. I was using spores , thanks for the link. you've been a big help.
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Re: Noob casing question! [Re: sturmer88]
#8266419 - 04/10/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay....I tried both ways. I checked the casings I covered and incubated after 3 days and there was a little myc poking thru all over the tops, so I patched very lightly and put in the FC with the other casings. My cakes are doing great and there are at least 50+ pins all over them. Now, I know this is a very broad question, but how long should it be until I see these casings pin? The unincubated casings havent done anything but I read somewhere that they will catch up eventually. The incubated ones were misted until glistening as well, not soaked.
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