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    #8257639 - 04/08/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: 12468]
    #8257851 - 04/08/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You can just buy the "DampRid Refillable Room Freshener" for $3 and put it in some kind of sealed container with air-dried mushrooms with practically no effort. It already comes with a container that has holes in it and contains calcium chloride I believe, so it requires very little effort and no construction.


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    #8257926 - 04/08/08 11:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: Morelman]
    #8258010 - 04/08/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i have a buddy that works at a deli and gives me the extra divided disposable veggie trays that deli's use for cookies/veggies/etc... you can probably find packs of 10 for pretty cheap from commercial party suppliers.



^now that really is a party tray.

they work great, i've had to stack quite a few on top of eachother before. fan dry for 24 hrs, load the bottom of the veggie tray with your chosen desiccant, put some kind of screen on top to keep your mushrooms directly off it, i used those cheap grill sheets or gutter guard, both work fine, you dont really want any surface area to your screen, then put your mushrooms on top of the screen and snap the lid on. each tray can get 2 oz cracker dry in a day, 1 carton of damp rid refill will fill 3 trays up. been using em' ever since i started, they work great and save hella space.

thanks for making me remember i had that old pic in my gallery, i got so many damn pictures in there now i cant keep track of them all.

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber *DELETED* [Re: large_dose]
    #8258048 - 04/08/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: Morelman]
    #8258089 - 04/08/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why do people still waste their time with dessicants and rediculous containers when food dehydrators cost under $35 new or $5 at most 2nd hand stores. :rolleyes:

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: mb13]
    #8258844 - 04/09/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Why do people still waste their time with dessicants and rediculous containers when food dehydrators cost under $35 new or $5 at most 2nd hand stores. :rolleyes:




Consider that a 1lb bag of silica gel or drierite (CaSO4) costs maybe $4 and $7 respectively and that we generally have containers kicking around.

Both desiccants can be reused by baking them for the manufactured specified time and temperature.

While I agree that food dehydrators (with their heating element disabled) are great for the fan-drying portion of desiccation, they lack the ability to -really- dry something out. Desiccants have the ability to lower the relative humidity of a sealed vessel to below the ambient RH which is advantageous in humid climates.


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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: amanitavirosa]
    #8259015 - 04/09/08 09:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Food dehydrator do NOT lack the ability to "really" dry something out.. wth kind of misinformation is that?

my dehydrator dries ounces in a day to so cracker dry that you can even brush off the verm without breaking them

desiccant sucks, it takes waay too long to dry with desiccant, and desiccant is near to useless for dring FRESH shrooms

and it's a real pain in the ass playing around with, and cooking and re-cooking your poisonous alternative


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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: anarchOi]
    #8259137 - 04/09/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh god who cares, do you know how many fucking threads argue about desiccant chambers and dehydrators...
its sad to see this one turning into another one, everybody has their favored technique.

but back to the thread, which is about desiccant chambers.
this is the method i chose when i started growing and its worked great for my bulk grows too.

24hrs fan/24hrs desiccant chamber = cracker dry.

to each his own.

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    #8259190 - 04/09/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: Morelman]
    #8259230 - 04/09/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

... wow, anarchOi .. just wow


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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: amanitavirosa]
    #8259285 - 04/09/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I use salt instead of desiccant..


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    #8259337 - 04/09/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: Morelman]
    #8259530 - 04/09/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

why the hell would you guys still be using desicant?
Isnt it the nastiest shit to work with once its water logged?? Gets on everyhting


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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: tahoe]
    #8259701 - 04/09/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Does salt work just as well? Can perlite be used as a desiccant?




Salt -does- in fact work as a desiccant .. the only problem being that it is terribly ineffective. Actually, any hygroscopic compound will sequester moisture from the air (at varying rates).

Salt (IMHO) would be a waste of time.

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why the hell would you guys still be using desicant?
Isnt it the nastiest shit to work with once its water logged?? Gets on everyhting




Desiccant is extremely effective in areas that suffer from chronic high humidity.

Thats only CaCl (damprid) .. CaSO4 (drierite) and silica are not that bad to work with when they are moisture saturated. And the bonus is that they can be regenerated.


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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: amanitavirosa]
    #8259841 - 04/09/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, i live in a valley where the humidity stays extremely high 95% , its actually quite miserable and hard to breath in the summertime.

Most beginning growers dont need to go out and buy a big old dehydrator, some are just growing enough for themselves and a few friends, this is where desiccant is perfect. I used to have the bottom of an old schoolbox filled with desiccant/screen just like the veggie trays, i'd fan dry for 24 hrs then throw em' in there and snap the lid on for a day, it got them cracker dry when things were on a smaller scale. When i needed more surface area for the desiccant a veggie tray worked great, now im using up to 10 veggie trays stacked on top of eachother. I've always contemplated on going out and buying a nesco plus trays and all that, but im sure my method takes up no more room than this contraption:



The only downfall is having to fan dry the mushrooms for a day before loading them into the desiccant chambers, but as monstermitch states in the thread i got the picture from, he sometimes has to fan dry before loading them into a dehydrator too.

Both methods are great... some swear up and down upon their chosen method but both work, choose what works best for you. One 3$ carton of damprid refiller will get me through a pound of mushrooms, you loose most of your weight during the 24 hr fan dry but the damp rid does a great job of pulling that extra moisture out, making them "cracker" dry. Once damp rid is saturated it turns into a hard block, i just throw it away and buy a few cartons for the next couple grows. My old chosen method turned into a bulk method, i've just found an extremely space efficient way of stacking veggie tray's in the same manner as dehydrator trays, using desiccant to dry them instead of heated air, thats all.

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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: large_dose]
    #8259920 - 04/09/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Desiccant is extremely effective in areas that suffer from chronic high humidity.






I believe this was agars pic. I wouild reconize the carpet.
The main differnece between people that use discant and dehydrators is that the ones that use the dehydrators know how to grow mushrooms and the ones that do not know how to grow use desicant.
Sure I would rather pay 3 bucks to dry 10 grams of mushrooms.
But one day you will walk into your growroom and think "Fuck". I need a dehydrator.
All in due time noobes


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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: tahoe]
    #8259953 - 04/09/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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tahoe said:The main differnece between people that use discant and dehydrators is that the ones that use the dehydrators know how to grow mushrooms and the ones that do not know how to grow use desicant.
Sure I would rather pay 3 bucks to dry 10 grams of mushrooms.
But one day you will walk into your growroom and think "Fuck". I need a dehydrator.
All in due time noobes




.. okay, so you think that just because someone swears by using desiccant (an e and two c's btw;)) that they are a newb?

Have you ever considered that said individual may not want the extra size/bulk of a dehydrator? or perhaps they only want a small setup and don't produce a large amount of wet material, thus do not need a multi-tier dehydrator?

Have you also maybe considered that someone who uses desiccant also uses a dehydrator as part of the process?

In areas of high relative humidity, it is impossible to dry something to nearly the relative humidity that desiccants can achieve. And for some people, exceptional dryness is important (such as in making capsules).

Why don't you get the hell off your high horse and just stfu sometime? :wink:

Just because -you- won't use desiccants does -not- mean that they are ineffective, stupid, or "noobish" as you put it.


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Re: Best desiccant Chamber [Re: tahoe]
    #8259959 - 04/09/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

fan drying is only the first step in the drying process. if you stop here, you are wrong. even after drying with a fan there is still moisture present, and even in the smallest amout, there will be degradation of the psychoactive chemicals. after fan drying you must then store them with some kind of desiccant.


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