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DimensionX
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#8258730 - 04/09/08 05:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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At the very least the charges for production and distribution should be dramatically reduced. Its not a violent crime in anyway. People choose to take them, anyone who blames their dealer for them choosing to take drugs is in major denial.
Selling to children is a different story, but legalization would reduce that a lot i think. I remember when i was underage it was easier for me to get illegal drugs than legal ones.
As far as I'm concerned the only law you breach when dealing should be tax evasion. As long as you don't put people at risk during the production, like with meth fumes, and you don't sell to minors.
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MindGorilla
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#8258966 - 04/09/08 08:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Theres nothing more I would love to see then the local 7/11 selling shrooms. But I'm also against the idea of legalization.
Not only do you have your abusers, but the people that try and drive.
What about respecting the shroom? I think that any sort of "respect" or integrity during tripping, would turn into another sloppy night of getting fucked up since they would be so easily obtained.
Edited by MindGorilla (04/09/08 08:46 AM)
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anyone420
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: MindGorilla]
#8258982 - 04/09/08 08:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can't people drink and drive on alcohol?
How are mushrooms any different?
Whats to prevent people from driving on shrooms when they are illegal?
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deCypher
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: anyone420]
#8259504 - 04/09/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whats to prevent people from driving on shrooms when they are illegal?
Just to play devil's advocate, one could argue that the fear of the massively increased penalties for possession/being under the influence of a totally illegal substance would prevent more people from driving on shrooms than driving on a legal substance.
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anyone420
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: deCypher]
#8259585 - 04/09/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the objection, this isn't directed at you personally.
Deterrents don't work.
We have the death penalty for murder -> people are murdered every day.
You can spend your life in jail for drug trafficking -> drug use in the US is higher than ever.
What works, is educating people about the substance. DARE has been lying to and brainwashing children who do not know any better for decades, you think people who will victimize children with false information should be trusted to educate them in any other manner, or be their self appointed guardians? People will always drive when intoxicated, this much is true regarless of illegality or legality. The difference is the number of people who's lives are DESTROYED by the punishments associated with putting something in your body that doesn't harm anyone else.
I've done shrooms tons of times and i have had no desire whatsoever to drive while on them. I know it is a poor idea, therefore i do not drive. You think all of a sudden if shrooms were legal, i would get the desire to drive? Its still a bad decision.
Having the government bully people with fear and fines and jail time and murder to prevent something that is consensual and does harm others is wrong, theres no way around it.
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Xeluc
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: fushock]
#8259663 - 04/09/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree with OP. Illegal status keeps people away via negative stigma who may use it thoughtlessly. While I hate when people say that one hit of acid will fuck you up for the rest of your life, you really do have to be careful with things and be sure your ready. Legal or not, if you want a psych, you can find it. Except Lucy. I haven't a clue where to get it. Anyone I ask about it either doesn't know where to find it or thinks it kills your brain.
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yageman
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: Xeluc]
#8262757 - 04/10/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Illegal drugs should be legal.
Thats my opinion.
especially psychedelic drugs. Matbe its a process.
Jail time aint cool. And if many little bubbles of addiction to heroin or coke or whatever drugs form, thats true to good form because the drugs are legal and we live in a world that can deal with that shit. Right?
That could be the breaking point.
I still think all drugs should always have been legal.
In a perfect world they would be legal and we would have dealt with drugs by now, and so many lives would not have been ruined by law. "You use drugs and we catch you, we fuck you life"
That has never and will never be cool with anyone with a brain in their head.
All of you people talking about responsible use have your heads in your asses.
Everyone should have the right to take any drug they please.
The consumerism, the corruption and the very sound/pure capitalism will still grow.
They to some degree are just drugs.
Our freedom is more important than our money. And you know what? I dont thing we make a better dollar because our nation hates drug users.......
Funny.....
Some of the most mind altering drugs are found by your doctor and given to you if you think you are sad etc.
that shit makes billions!
Its all bullshit people.
Yes illegal drugs should be legal.
How many robots are out there really?
The logic behind thinking psychedelic drugs should be illegal is flawed from the get go.
Legalization will be a process and a long one because they strategically lump in heroin with psychedelics. Nice...........lol
"They" are all crack heads that kill for a living. You on the other hand, are not a murderer, though you do use "drugs"..........
THEIR CRACK IS MONEY AND DEATH.
Get me?
What a plan.
What would america do if everyone just said fuck you america?
9/11 was an inside job. NO? Yes it was.
Psychedelics are not bad. capitalism is certainly not bad. capitalism lends its self to some fucked up shit when its as immature as all the anti drug assfaces.
Its a joke.
2012 will be a hell of a year. No end, just change.
freedom is a joke unless you believe in it.
Shit is just about to go down and not because drugs are illegal.
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fushock
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: yageman]
#8280781 - 04/14/08 02:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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2012 will be a hell of a year. No end, just change.
All you superstitious children can wait for your 2012 all you like. What will you do when nothing happens? Will you pick another arbitrary date? Or will make yourselves believe something actually happened? Or more likely, you'll have a totally new hobby by the time 2012 rolls around. Maybe Scientology. I hope you have the money.
As far as your freedom rant goes, people live in total freedom now. The only restrictions there are are those inside their own heads. The rest is simply environment. Some environments allow you to do somethings, some don't. Public opinion is just another part of the environment. The only thing preventing people from being free is people like you trying to make them believe they are not. But if we were to follow your political philosophy, ie pure capitalism I guess, we would be free. Its all been said to the choir before.
This response isn't to you in particular. I think your just a negative name calling troll and I have a feeling you don't even care about or believe about anything you write here. But you simple brought up a few things I wanted to talk about; 2012 and freedom.
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AScannerDarkly
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: fushock]
#8284987 - 04/14/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wasnt the harmonic convergence supposed to change the world? If modern man couldnt do it I have no faith in mayans and thier 2012
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thedudenj
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: AScannerDarkly]
#8285090 - 04/15/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think heroin should be cheap and legal so all those crap heads od
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dysphoria
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: thedudenj]
#8285138 - 04/15/08 12:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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seriously faulty logic there man. saying that a drug being cheap and legal will result in OD is just retarded to be quite honest.
ill leave you to work out the specifics on why.
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thedudenj
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: dysphoria]
#8285145 - 04/15/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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cause man i dunno about you but i know if alot of junkies could afford it and didnt have to go thru so much to get their junk they would OD
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anyone420
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: thedudenj]
#8285648 - 04/15/08 05:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats nonsense
legality would guarantee purity and concentration, and the product would come with overdose warnings just as all other shelf-bought drugs do
hell they could even offer heroin babysitting clinics, where trained technicians could help the people who wanted to shoot up do it safely. If a bartender thinks one more shot will kill his customer on the spot, does he give him the shot?
Yes, people would OD. this is an undeniable fact, but less people would OD than they do now.
and as far as you advocating heroin addicts to OD, thats pretty fuckin' low and you definitely lost a ton of respect from me. Don't you realize that their heroin use never harmed another person, and that it's the governments rules that result in addicts stealing and killing to obtain funds for their addiction? Do you have any idea what heroin addiction is like? Use your brain man
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thedudenj
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: anyone420]
#8286433 - 04/15/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i duuno i have seen junkies get money like a pay check then OD.
but theres that place in Cali where they let you shoot up and give you the needle and will inject you. the swiss have similar clincs and will sell you the dope.
just trust me i know too many junkies. A junkie is a junkie and they do what they do and its far beyond the drugs thats for sure dont think for any moment im saying people that have used heroin are a junkie cause there are a bnuch of people that arnt and never will become one. its a way of life and their use does hurt people when all they do is rob or share dope and spread that stuff like the plauge or pink eye. tho i do agree its who ever they spread it to's fault to some degree for being susceptable. I know someone with a legit job that OD 7 times like 6 times first aid collected her body and brought her back. so yeah i know to a great degree what its like. dont say its the government that makes em steal. you give them way more cerdit. I know junkie people with money that can afford their stuff that still steal.
I use the term junkie for a reason its more then just an addict or a user. Its a state of mind bent in getting junk,junking,and junking up others lifes
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anyone420
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: thedudenj]
#8286493 - 04/15/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's government that makes the drugs illegal, which is why they are black market.
they are expensive, impure, and of unknown concentration as a result of being a black market item.
if you could buy them on the shelf of your local grocery store, they would be pure, of a certain concentration and much less expensive.
this would result in less OD's, less addiction associated crime, and less assault on liberty.
I completely agree, a junkie will almost always remain a junkie.
And people will always commit crimes to get what they want.
But it would be at such a lower rate, and at no expense to civil liberties when the drug use is legal.
I know junkies. I know fiends. I know people that have OD'd and died. I also know that there is still a chance for them to get better, and keeping the drug illegal isn't helping them do it. Punishments aren't deterrants. Some people will ruin their lives, but they have to be free to do so.
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thedudenj
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: anyone420]
#8286552 - 04/15/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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in all honesty i dont think they would be cheaper just regulated look at dutch mushrooms and cannabis is pretty fucking expensive. My friend in belgium could hook me up with a brick of pot for 50 euro while amsterdamn is 12 euro a gram unless it went up the better stuff is 20 euro. my friends brick of pot is really really nice stuff better then USA goodie the brick tho its not brick weed is also like i think QP so like a QP for aroud $100 of fine fine bud.
mushrooms over there are pretty pricey too if you have a friend that grows or buy em at a festival its cheaper but the same could be said about going to a pot festival you can get some dank unheard of buds at a festival for cheap
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jajapee
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: anyone420]
#8286590 - 04/15/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The problem we're running into with the "War on Drugs" is the War on Drugs. Nixon's so-called "cure" to public enemy number one (the war on drugs) in 1970, is the 21 centirues public enemy number one. Addiction is increasing, treatment isnt being sought after, and addicts/petty users in jails make up almost half of our fucking jail population, which is the largest in the world at over 2 million. That is just straight up ridiculous and it says something about this fucking war on drugs. Unfortunately, I believe this "War" will never end. It will be an on-going "My dick is bigger than yours" contest between the government and users. Until the United States recognizes that its laws are so politically corrupt, un-truthful, and deceiving we will continue to have addiction sweeping the nation and jails filled with people who got caught buying a dimebag of weed, give me a fucking break. This country makes me fucking sick with its drug laws. Sorry, rant over.
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anyone420
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: thedudenj]
#8286933 - 04/15/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thedudenj said: in all honesty i dont think they would be cheaper just regulated look at dutch mushrooms and cannabis is pretty fucking expensive. My friend in belgium could hook me up with a brick of pot for 50 euro while amsterdamn is 12 euro a gram unless it went up the better stuff is 20 euro. my friends brick of pot is really really nice stuff better then USA goodie the brick tho its not brick weed is also like i think QP so like a QP for aroud $100 of fine fine bud.
mushrooms over there are pretty pricey too if you have a friend that grows or buy em at a festival its cheaper but the same could be said about going to a pot festival you can get some dank unheard of buds at a festival for cheap
this is simply false.
more competition drives prices down
legality = more competition
plus people can charge anything on the black market, and have a better chance of selling it if they are of the only suppliers in the area.
theres also risk involved with distributing an illegal item, which also factors into high prices.
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Zinglons Acolyte
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Re: The illegality of some psychedelics [Re: jajapee]
#8287046 - 04/15/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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jajapee said: The problem we're running into with the "War on Drugs" is the War on Drugs. Nixon's so-called "cure" to public enemy number one (the war on drugs) in 1970, is the 21 centirues public enemy number one. Addiction is increasing, treatment isnt being sought after, and addicts/petty users in jails make up almost half of our fucking jail population, which is the largest in the world at over 2 million. That is just straight up ridiculous and it says something about this fucking war on drugs. Unfortunately, I believe this "War" will never end. It will be an on-going "My dick is bigger than yours" contest between the government and users. Until the United States recognizes that its laws are so politically corrupt, un-truthful, and deceiving we will continue to have addiction sweeping the nation and jails filled with people who got caught buying a dimebag of weed, give me a fucking break. This country makes me fucking sick with its drug laws. Sorry, rant over.
dont worry, a good rant like that deserves to be quoted
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ExplosiveMango
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I think one of the biggest advantages of legalizing heroin would be that we could get it into the hands of hospital distributors and out of the hands of pushers.
We could get rid of the foolish mystique of criminality, and easy the paranoia of those who are thinking about talking to somebody about getting help but to afraid of the government raping them of their freedom.
We could hire the farmers in Afghanistan to grow poppies legit so they didn't have to have their daughters raped by drug lords or starve because wheat can't support them.
We could undercut the local gangs and international cartels with white market trade, saving hundreds of lives and sucking the lifeblood from organized crime.
We could stop wasting our tax money on trying to stop users from using- we could keep half for ourselves and lower taxes, and make more of an impact on the problem than law enforcement ever has by spending the other half on health care.
The only thing lost would be the rights of the bigots like Judge Judy to say things like "Give them dirty needles and let them die".
The war on drugs costs more than $45 billion a year. At some point you have to ask yourself how much hate is really worth.
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