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fastfred
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Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens?
#6437250 - 01/08/07 03:30 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does anybody have ANY information on cultivation of this amazing species?
Sorry to start a new thread on this but I think it's a very discussion worthy topic.
Here is the information I have so far...
Aeruginascin, a Trimethylammonium Analogue of Psilocybin from the Hallucinogenic Mushroom Inocybe aeruginascens by Niels Jensen, Jochen Gartz, Hartmut Laatsch
http://wwwuser.gwdg.de/~ucoc/laatsch/168_Aeruginascin_col.pdf
Tryptamines as Ligands and Modulators of the Serotonin 5-HT2A Receptor and the Isolation of Aeruginascin from the Hallucinogenic Mushroom Inocybe aeruginascens
http://deposit.ddb.de/cgi-bin/dokserv?idn=973960833&dok_var=d1&dok_ext=pdf&filename=973960833.pdf http://webdoc.sub.gwdg.de/diss/2004/jensen/jensen.pdf


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strangladesh
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: fastfred]
#6437911 - 01/08/07 11:00 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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So does this mushroom not contain psilocybin, just the precursor?
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asci
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: strangladesh]
#6439483 - 01/08/07 08:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think this fungi requires a symbiosis, according to Joshen Gartzs. i also recall hearing about spore and tissue culture being done with success.
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Zen Peddler


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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: fastfred]
#6444026 - 01/10/07 01:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If any one has done it it would be Workman, BIO or aaron. ANd the last two arent around anymore.
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fastfred
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#6445529 - 01/10/07 02:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Workman has informed me that all Inocybe species are mycorrhizal in nature.
So it looks like cultivation would not be easy. Anybody know what trees it grows with?
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: fastfred]
#6446390 - 01/10/07 06:51 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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i thought they were mycorrhizal, i bet you could tissue culture this species. maybe try a spore solution and hardwood seedlings, anythings worth a try?
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: asci]
#6447199 - 01/10/07 10:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think this fungi requires a symbiosis
Yep, inocybes are mycorrhyzal chances are you will need a tree to get them to fruit.
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falcon


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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: fastfred]
#6447210 - 01/10/07 10:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poplar or willow?
Both of those species grow really fast and willow for sure roots quickly from cuttings.
Edited by falcon (03/10/08 04:25 PM)
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Zen Peddler


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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: falcon]
#6451130 - 01/12/07 03:27 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poplar being amazingly easy to fruit off any old wood chips...Unlike the species in question....
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hjalmar
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#6453868 - 01/12/07 09:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I heard Gartz says the Inocybe experience gives a somewhat different quality of experience compared to most other psilocybin mushrooms.
I would be somewhat skeptikal when I see the molecule. It's a quaternary ammonium salt, will that be able to pass the blood-brain barrier?
EDIT: Whoops, posted too fast, just read the answer in the paper Fastfred posted: it won't.
Edited by hjalmar (01/12/07 09:51 PM)
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Entersandman
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: hjalmar]
#6457531 - 01/14/07 03:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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i´ve read a few trip reports in German and the trippers claimed that the trip with aeruginascens was their best trip ever!
the cultivation seems nearly impossible but i saw a lot of things which seemed impossible!
Never say never!
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: Entersandman]
#8102345 - 03/04/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well, it's not supposed to cross the blood brain barrier, but who fuckin knows, right?
i live in florida and i'm pretty sure that those grow all over the place down here.
i don't think they grow on trees, i think they grow in ground where dead trees where previously.
i don't know, they resemble a lot of other mushrooms, and those that they resemble are quite a selection of poisonous ones, so i have no idea.
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MycoAu
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: YouRMaiNMaN]
#8105965 - 03/05/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Unless you're very capable with a microscope and have extensive knowledge in the area of ID, I wouldn't try to use an Inocybe collected in the wild. Too dangerous.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Cultivation of Inocybe aeruginascens? [Re: YouRMaiNMaN]
#8121669 - 03/08/08 10:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> i live in florida and i'm pretty sure that those grow all over the place down here.
I don't think so. They are widely distributed but rare.
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Ophanim
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I know I'm bumping a month-old thread here, but it would be great if this puppy didn't die yet. I just heard word of this species and am extremely interested in it... I wonder if you can purchase spores anywhere?
Imagine growing a DMTree (newly coined term by yours truly) and having some of those bad boys feeding off the roots...
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