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First attempt at pharmahuasca
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Alright this is what I did:

12g of syrian rue ground into powder
40g of MHRB shredded in blender.

Plant material submerged in 91% rubbing alcohol and a small amount of lemon juice for 12 hours with occasional shaking.

Solution heated by putting a bowl of water in the microwave and setting the jar of material into the bowl. Also stirred while heated.

After cooling, the solution was strained and put in a dish for evaporation.

The result was a flaky red layer that was put into 18 small capsules. I havnt taken any yet, but its about 4 or 5 capsules per dose. I will update after I take them.

Any thoughts on this method?

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Moo456]
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sounds promising


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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Coaster]
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I have been curious about the pharm tek. Plants of the Gods mentions this. Let us know how it goes.

EG

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Coaster]
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Coaster said:
sounds promising



Yep, let us know how it goes.

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Moo456]
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Not exactly pharmahuasca.

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Robo]
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Omni said:
Not exactly pharmahuasca.



Well as I am now looking at "The Plants of the God" I notice that while it mentions Pharm, it gives a recipe for Juremahuasca (Mimohausaca):

3g Peganum harmala, finely ground
9g root husk of Mimose tenuiflora
Lemon or lime juice

The ground Syrian Rue is soaked in water or taken in gelatin caps. 15 minutes later, drink the boiled mixture of lemon/lime juice and the mimosa husk.

After 45-60 minute of nausea or vomiting the visions begin.....

EG

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: ethnoguy]
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oh man, the vomiting.....it sucks :stars:

Then once it's over, you puke some more. And then you start tripping finally.

True pharmahuasca is pure DMT & harmaline (or something along those lines) loaded into capsules. I've done semi-pharmahuasca, the DMT.....but with Syrian Rue tea/cocoa (not pure harmala).

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Robo]
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I would say its closer to pharmahuasca than anything else. I didnt refine it down to the pure chemicals, but if I had I would have just smoked the DMT. This has all the benefits of pharmahusca, but it was just much easier to make.

I didnt get this from a tek, I sort of just got some ideas from other teks and added some of my own. I'll most likely take some tomorrow and then I can see how effective it is. What level of nausea should I expect from this? Does this eliminate it or just make it less severe?

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Moo456]
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Unless you are taking pure MAOI and pure DMT there will usually be nausea, depending on how strong your stomach is there might be some puking.

I think the only way to skip nausea for the majority of people is by doing the actual pharmahuasca, straight pure.

I'd say the way I did it was the closest to pharmahuasca, pure DMT and Rue tea, and I puked a lot. I'd say anytime you're going to be taking in raw rue or tea there's going to be nausea or vomiting involved unless you have a strong stomach.

What you're doing is more like Juremahuasca, like ethnoguy said.

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Robo]
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Juremahuasca isnt really the same because just the rue is encapsulated(or not) and a solid extract isnt made. Lets call it pharmajuremahuasca :super:. Actually I dont care what its called, but if it has little or no nausea then its good enough. I'll just have to wait and see.

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Moo456]
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It is pretty close I guess.......downing plant matter extract in caps.

pharmajuremahuasca sounds good to me :laugh:

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Robo]
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I just want to know WTF happens. lol Fill us in on details.

God, I hate vomiting...

EG

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: ethnoguy]
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He puked, I know it :crazy:

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Robo]
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:2girls1cup: :scat: :puke:  :puke:  :puke:

lol

EG

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: ethnoguy]
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Well this sure sucks balls. Five capsules go down the hatch and after 1 hour nothing significant happens. Then I wait 3 hours and still nothing. No nausea, no trip. I just took 8 more capsules so lets see what happens.

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Moo456]
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Well I did feel the harmala alkaloids I can tell you that much, but theres was little or no DMT. I guess DMT isnt really polar soluble. Is there anything I can change next time that will make this actually work?

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Moo456]
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I think you'd be better off with an acidic extraction than isopropyl alcohol. In particular, see the Hummingbird's Brew, it reportedly requires about one-fourth the amount of Mimosa that is used in normal juremahuasca.

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Entropymancer]
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I cant access that page. Do you mind explaining this method?

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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Moo456]
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You have to sign up at the ayahuasca forums to see the post. I recommend it if you're interested in the method, as the discussion and experiences with the material are worth the read.

Here's the tek:
Quote:
Greetings, valued friends.

I have had a lot of private requests to post about this method (as told to me by a magical hummingbird in a magical dream).

It seems that it might be time to do so, here, in this forum.

I hope this is the correct decision.

I trust that people will use this dream imagery with great care and resposibility... and sobriety.

If you dream of it, PLEASE... get the quantities right! Someone really messed that up a while back and had an unpleasant over acid reaction.

Done properly, it will produce a dream brew that is a good bit less acidic than a coke, and works wonderfully.

So the delightful creature appears in a dream and says...

"I have used phosphoric two ways.

First way is pretty much a traditional brewing , but with phos.

Now, 20 drops of 10% food grade phosphoric acid in 1/2 gal of distilled water = ph3... Please be sure to get that right!

So, place the herbs in the solution at a ratio of at least 20/1 solution/herbs, (by ounces).

Soak 1-3 days (the longer the better), in mason jar, shake vigorously as much as is practical, (several times a day).

Then simmer 3x (no boiling) for three hours or so, each simmer.

For 2nd simmer, use 1/2 as much acid, for 3rd use plain distilled h2o.

If you like, make the 3rd simmer longer, as you feel.

Each extraction is filtered through a permanent wire mesh coffee filter, then put in fridge for at least a day to completely settle.

Then carefully decant, leaving the sediment, combine, and gently reduce to 4-6 oz, total, per dream serving.

This tec has (in dreams) produced exceptional results with vine/leaf combo.
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2nd tec... Long cold soak for rootbark (powdered, by dreamer)

Same solution, same ratio.

1st soak, 4-5 days in fridge shaking often. Filter, place in fridge to settle.

2nd soak, 4-5 days in fridge, with 1/2 the amount of acid, shaking often. filter, place in fridge to settle.

3rd soak (might be optional, it's pretty pale) 1-2 days, plain distilled water, shake, filter, place in fridge to settle.

After all the extractions have completely settled, VERY carefully decant, combine, and gently reduce to 2-3 oz per dream serving. Then in a dream, drink after drinking a caapi brew (2-3 oz) made with the other tec.

This cold soak bark tec has produced marvelous results, but...

WARNING!!! It is VERY STRONG!

A dreamer who has dreamed of as much as 33g of bark with another less effective tec, (DON"T TRY!) was fairly blown away by 8g! No kidding!

Another dreamer who I shared this with, who is experienced with hcl tec, said that he felt the phos tec was much stronger.

It seems that much of the magic here is in the fantastic absorption qualities of phos.

BTW, it's MUCH better tasting, as well. (compared to lemon or ascorbic)

You can probably use less acid, but the resulting brew is close to ph5, which is MUCH higher than a coke, and has produced no problems to date.

I have confidence that the cold tec would be equally as magical with vine/leaf, especially if one dreams of Hawaaian leaf, by far the best in the world.

I will try that soon.

Remember, both tecs will be significantly stronger than those with less effective acids, so adjust your amounts accordingly...

AND PROCEED WITH CARE AND RESPONSIBILTY!

Please love and take good care of yourself... PLEASE!"

Then he flew away at what seemed to be nearly the speed of light!

If there are any questions, I will pass them on next time I am graced with a visitation...

Just to be on the safe side...

Another word of caution.

Now, those who know me know that I'm what you might call a "deep sea diver", so hear me well...

When playing around with rootbark, one must be careful. It is not NEARLY as forgiving as leaf.

An experienced dreamer I know, (who admittedly is pretty sensitive) had a challenging experience dreaming of 2g rootbark, with the Bird's phos tec!

Now certainly, YMMV, but if there was ever an occasion to carefully climb the ladder, it is when dreaming of this tec with rootbark.

Another, macho deep sea diver had a somewhat white knuckle rapids ride with 8g in a dream, and although he tends to like the big challenge and managed to ride it out OK, he says he knows it would be too much for some, more sensitive types.

It is also highly suggested that caapi be dreamed, not rue, as rue makes rootbark even less forgiving.

If you have any doubts at all, play it VERY conservatively, until you know where you stand.



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Re: First attempt at pharmahuasca [Re: Entropymancer]
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Thats not really what im looking for though. I can make the tea pretty strong already, but I usually puke too soon for it to all be absorbed. I need a way to put it into capsules because my stomach has been rejecting the tea lately.

Are there any solvents that work well with DMT?

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