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Cakes are easy... [PICS]
    #823418 - 08/17/02 12:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Success with cakes is very easy. You don?t need a hi-tech lab to enjoy nice flushes from cakes. I found the following picture and some text describing the process on the internet:
  • Strain: Puerto Rican (multi-spore innoculation a la PF)
  • Substrate: Standard PF maximum fruiting mix.
  • Temps: Low-Mid 70?s
  • Fruiting chamber: Standard 10 gallon aquarium sealed with clear plastic.
  • Fanning: Once or twice a week.
  • Spraying: Once or twice a week.
Once the cakes are at 100%, birth them and scrape off all residual vermiculite. Set a bit of foil (or some other impermeable item) on the perlite and cover with some damp (field grade) vermiculite. Set the cake on this vermiculite layer and place a thin (2-3 mm) layer of damp vermiculite on the top of the cake. Wait and enjoy. Keep in mind that dunking was not used at any point in this process.

This picture represents a first flush. There are many pins forming on the top layer of vermiculite that do not show up in this photo, but the author contends they are forming at a rapid pace.



This image was taken roughly 24 hours later to illustrate the growth rate:



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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823443 - 08/17/02 12:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Nice First Flush! I always wondered about the layer of vermiculite on cakes. Is your friend going to dunk after this flush?

Oh yeah, fan once or twice a week? Or once or twice a day?


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: bloo_sunshine]
    #823447 - 08/17/02 12:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I always wondered about the layer of vermiculite on cakes. Is your friend going to dunk after this flush?


I would guess that this person would dunk only if it is 100% necessary and would avoid it if possible.
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Oh yeah, fan once or twice a week? Or once or twice a day?


Once or twice a week.

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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823466 - 08/17/02 01:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Once or twice a week? I know there has to be something wrong with that b/c if there wasnt, why do all the teks say 1-3 times a day, more if you can? You might end up with aborts or something, hopefully not.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Killa420]
    #823468 - 08/17/02 01:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Once or twice a week? I know there has to be something wrong with that b/c if there wasnt, why do all the teks say 1-3 times a day, more if you can?


LMAO! Btw, do you know what the "fanning" consists of? The lid is removed, the aquarium is sprayed with water, and then the lid is replaced.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823561 - 08/17/02 02:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

nice info there mickey!


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823563 - 08/17/02 02:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The fanning is get all the stale air and co2 out your terrain. Then you mist the walls and replace lid.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Killa420]
    #823569 - 08/17/02 02:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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The fanning is get all the stale air and co2 out your terrain. Then you mist the walls and replace lid.


Thanks for the profound observation... Do you reply just to get your post count up? LOL


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823577 - 08/17/02 02:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hi Mickey,
Yup, this is a pretty good method. I use something similar, and those little cakes just love it. Your pics are an awesome example of how well this can work, for anyone, newbie, and oldbie alike


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823590 - 08/17/02 02:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

No I dont just reply to get my post up. I was simply saying a statement. You only been here like a month with 500 post so your the post whore so dont bitch at me for posting pointless shit.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Killa420]
    #823609 - 08/17/02 02:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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No I dont just reply to get my post up. I was simply saying a statement.


First you virtually call me a liar and state there is a problem with the method represented. I explain how you are incorrect and then you post some meaningless drivel about CO2 and air exchanges in a futile attempt to try and refute my statements I suppose. Go back to your cave and come back when you learn there is more than one way to skin a cat.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823627 - 08/17/02 02:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I never once called you a lier. You claim that im incorrect but im just saying what the faq's say. If fanning that little works for you than so be it. Im not telling you, you have to fan 3 times a day. I was making a suggestion. Get the stick out your ass b/c I gave you 1 shroom that lowered your precious shrooms rating down to 2.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Killa420]
    #823633 - 08/17/02 02:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Get the stick out your ass b/c I gave you 1 shroom that lowered your precious shrooms rating down to 2.


You must have gotten your panties in a wad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have dropped my rating. LOL.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Macey Howard]
    #823638 - 08/17/02 02:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Moe. When this run pans out, I should bury the lot!


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823643 - 08/17/02 02:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You seem to have gotten it back anyway.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: MechanicalMan]
    #823650 - 08/17/02 02:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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You seem to have gotten it back anyway.


Thanks for the support!


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823665 - 08/17/02 02:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yaaaa, now you can get off your bitch fit.

Still waiting to see your pics though....


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    #823677 - 08/17/02 03:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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You seem to have gotten it back anyway.


It was short lived. One of his buddies knocked me down again. LOL


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823710 - 08/17/02 03:29 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I don't see what 420 said wrong before Mickey. You described misting and called it fanning. Seemed a strange comment to me aswell.

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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: utopianglory]
    #823738 - 08/17/02 03:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see what 420 said wrong before Mickey. You described misting and called it fanning. Seemed a strange comment to me aswell.


You don't think removing the lid and spraying exchanges air? I was trying to explain that traditional fanning was not necessary in this situation and that the air exchange resulting from the spraying (1-2 time a week) was more than adequate.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823755 - 08/17/02 03:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

LOL, I didnt tell anyone to lower your rating. You really stuck on this rating thing man. Just relax, someone will put it back up to where it was.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #823764 - 08/17/02 03:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

I was trying to explain that traditional fanning was not necessary in this situation and that the air exchange resulting from the spraying (1-2 time a week) was more than adequate.




How long have the cakes been in the terraRium?
Stamets recommends 1-3 air exchanges per hour:

Primordia Formation
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Air Temperature: 74-78F
Duration: 6-10 days
CO2: less than 5,000 ppm
Fresh Air Exchanges: 1-3 per hour
Light: Diffuse natual or 12-16 hours/day of grow-lux type of vluorescent light high in the blue spectra at the 480 nanometer wavelenght.

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Relative Humidity: 85-92%
Air Temperature: 74-78F
CO2: less than 5,000 ppm
Fresh Air Exchanges: 1-3 per hour
Flushing Pattern: Every 5-8 days
Harvest Stage: When the cap becomes convex and soon after the partial veil rupures
Light: Indirect natural or same as above

Taken from The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets and J.S. Chilton


You may end up with very small fruit if you do not give enough air exchange.

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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #823770 - 08/17/02 03:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The cakes have been in there for about two weeks or so. Maybe a bit longer. Either way, this is not something new that is being tried. I am not looking for advice..


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    #823776 - 08/17/02 03:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I am not looking for advice.





And I wasn't giving it, but someone new to cultivation will know from my above post above the correct amount of air exchange.

Small fruit result from insufficiant air exchange


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    #823781 - 08/17/02 03:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I exchange the air more often when working with casings. Maybe I should have mentioned that, but with cakes, I find that fanning is way overrated.


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    #823783 - 08/17/02 04:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

He's been growing for " 10 years now " so he knows what he's talking about, so say....


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    #823789 - 08/17/02 04:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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He's been growing for " 10 years now " so he knows what he's talking about, so say....


If you don't have anything constructive to add, stay out of the thread. You're just showing what an ass you are.


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    #823896 - 08/17/02 04:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks


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    #823931 - 08/17/02 04:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

how long did it take for those to form?
i've heard people complaining about how long it took for pr to pin


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    #823937 - 08/17/02 04:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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how long did it take for those to form?
i've heard people complaining about how long it took for pr to pin


I didn't take notes, so I can't give you an exact number. If I were to guess I would say about ten days or so. Subjectively speaking, it took them longer than other strains.


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    #826414 - 08/18/02 06:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I just updated the original post to show what the growth rate is like... Enjoy.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #826622 - 08/18/02 08:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

did u use anything to induce pinning i am also using PR. This is my first time and i didnt know that PR were difficult to pin so any help u can give is well helpful


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: o0aciddreamz0o]
    #826631 - 08/18/02 08:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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did u use anything to induce pinning i am also using PR. This is my first time and i didnt know that PR were difficult to pin so any help u can give is well helpful


I don't think PR is difficult at all. It just "seemed" to take a bit more time to pin, but hell, you may find different! The exact process followed is detailed above. It's that simple!

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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #838584 - 08/23/02 05:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The problem with that rehydration technique is that the pins will only want to form around the top and bottom of the cake. Dunking usually provided a more uniformed distribution of pins. WHat kind of yeildage was that?


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    #838706 - 08/23/02 06:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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yeah, I want o know the yealdage too


The internet site listed a yield of about 60g wet on the first flush. Afterwards, the cake was broken up for use outdoors.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #839000 - 08/23/02 08:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

what is the reason for the aluminum foil, verm on bottom and verm on top?

i think maybe the perlite isnt supposed to touch the mycelium cause thats just unhealthy...and the aluminum by itself might kill mycelium if its in contact with the bottom, but verm on top?

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    #839052 - 08/23/02 08:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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what is the reason for the aluminum foil, verm on bottom and verm on top?


The foil keeps the bottom layer of vermiculite off the perlite. If the vermiculite were laying directly on the perlite, overhydration of the cake (through wicking) could result. The vermiculite on top increases the moisture available to the cake. It's like a pseudo casing in the traditional sense.


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    #839093 - 08/23/02 08:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #839734 - 08/24/02 05:48 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

It's funny, how you get a bunch of flack from breaking with convention. I will be fanning a lot less thanks! I have never posted this but I do not use perlite for moisture I use standing water. I have heard all the stuff about it causing contams but what I do is mix 1 ml. of bleach to the water. It keeps the humidity level up and requires very little else. I have been growing for many months and I have never had any contams in the tank with the standing water. The bleach makes it no different than pool water.

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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #839763 - 08/24/02 06:07 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I would guess that this person would dunk only if it is 100% necessary and would avoid it if possible.






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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Hippie3]
    #839844 - 08/24/02 07:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

how many % water are shrooms again? about 90%???
where does that water come from; the cakes; not necessarily the humid air.
each flush you pulll say; 35 grams off of your cake; about 30 grams of water is extracted from each cake. now after 4 flushes youve pulled a total of 120grams (1/4 pound) off of each cake. did your cake weigh 1/4lb when you started? probably not.
point being is that without a water source your cakes stop producing due to lack of water; not nutrients. this is one reason why cakes can be re-used in casings effectively because youre adding more water (either in the casing or spawn).
the night before you birth a cake; scrape teh verm off the top of your jar and add tap water till its full. recap the jar and cold shock in the fridge overnight then birth the next morning. try a control batch and a experimental batch with the same strains side by side; you wont be disappointed when you see 40+ gram flushes repeat themselves well over 4 times. just make sure you dunk and cold shock between every flush to do it right; just replace cakes in jars (you will; see how much water it has lost after only 1 flush; it will be a good 1/8" to 1/4" smaller diameter than the jar).
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at first i just skimmed this post and added a few facts. now that i read the flaming i would like to comment again.
In Reply To:
You don't think removing the lid and spraying exchanges air? I was trying to explain that traditional fanning was not necessary in this situation and that the air exchange resulting from the spraying (1-2 time a week) was more than adequate.
i understand that youve been cultivating longer than i; ive only been at it for 2 years now but given the laws of physics and airflow mist dropping into your terrarium will not purge the heavier CO2 out of the bottom of teh terrarium; but just opening the top and the movement around teh opening will exchange some air. with the increased CO2 levels the shrooms will just try to grow taller to reach what O2 is available. ive seen casings grow without attention other than harvesting flushes and that was in a rubbermaid container with a closed lid; unsealed (no weatherstripping or sealant used).
point is that fanning is OPTIMAL; not necessary.
In Relpy To:
Thanks for the profound observation... Do you reply just to get your post count up? LOL
are you not a moderator? i understand that this may have been said in jest but with your COMBINED efforts it snowballed into the childish spiel that preceeds this. i also understand that i cant directly change anything about your personality but i have been around here long enough to meet a lot of great cultivators and am thankful for it. i have been away for about 2 months and now see this new moderator already with 800 posts almost deliberately creating turbulence. shroomery can appoint who they want; and i will support it and the moderators until its demise but being considerate seems like a prerequisite for having an authority position such as yours. i would be grateful for what youve accomplished on this site thus far; especially in such a short stay here- and try to be as helpful as possible.
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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #840269 - 08/24/02 11:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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how many % water are shrooms again? about 90%???
where does that water come from; the cakes; not necessarily the humid air.


Yes and I found that a dunk was not necessary for a good first flush. If I don't have to waste my time dunking, I will avoid it. It's that simple. Also, I view cakes as ancillary amusement. I don't put much effort into them.
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i understand that youve been cultivating longer than i; ive only been at it for 2 years now but given the laws of physics and airflow mist dropping into your terrarium will not purge the heavier CO2 out of the bottom of teh terrarium


This is bullshit. Opening the top, and heavily misting the bottom will purge CO2.
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are you not a moderator? i understand that this may have been said in jest but with your COMBINED efforts it snowballed into the childish spiel that preceeds this.


I wasn't a moderator then and you didn't read the PM's I was receiving. Don't be so quick to judge. You're no better than anyone else..


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #840299 - 08/24/02 12:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

lol
you?re quite a case, mickey.
pretty surly, too.
hope they don?t leave you as mod for long.
you quite obviously don?t know much about
how to handle people or cakes.
nor proper air exchanges either.
be careful about trying to bullshit
folks around here,
most of us have been here alot longer
and know better than to believe bullshit.
dunking is no waste of time,
it dramatically boosts yields and that
is a well-documented fact.
and i daresay no one really cares
what you think about cakes either,
people were growing bountiful harvests
on cakes long before you got here,
and still will long after you are gone.




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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #840310 - 08/24/02 12:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I recently started dunking and I can see a tremendous difference in the size and numbers of fruits that appear. Also, the dunked cakes appear to put off more humidity in the terrarium which seems like it's benefitting the surrounding cakes.

I give dunking a big thumbs up.


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    #840317 - 08/24/02 12:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Macey Howard]
    #841650 - 08/25/02 04:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

what goes around,
comes around.
respect is a two-way street.
and moe, if you take the time to read this thread,
you'll see this newbie moderator mickey was being rude and
abusive to posters before i ever jumped in,
not to mention talking crap about how misting
causes air exchanges,.
is that how it's going to be around here ?
now this jerk mickey is sending me private messages
talking shit, trying to tell me what to do,
f#ck that, and f@ck him.
you should know me by now,
i've paid my dues many times over .
and contributed alot,
including the dunk tek he was knocking.
i behave just fine until i see some rude bastid talking shit,
then i do stand up and speak out.
that's just me.
ask anyone.
but the shroomery is supposed to be about accurate information, and community.
if you care about that at all,
then you need to set mickey straight fast.
now i'm done.


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Re: Cakes are easy... [PICS] [Re: Hippie3]
    #841860 - 08/25/02 09:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hippie, if you're not a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem. Your posts are nothing more than inflammatory rhetoric filled with spite and anger. I'm closing this thread. There is nothing useful that could be added to it.

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