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allisthesame
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: Chronic7]
#8168425 - 03/19/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is more then one way for everything... Realizing the oneness is just a step in realizing life. Actually, it's quite the opposite of just one thing... it's all the same anyways, though. One - Many Nothing - Everything... one is one is one is one and it's very much the same as none.
fun...
-------------------- Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: Chronic7]
#8169269 - 03/19/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did not say you were preaching Buddhism, you are however advertising your belief that life is suffering. Why?
Perhaps its to try to project an image of yourself as a "philosophizer" to us. Or maybe you want us to praise you for your great ideas?
Either way you are identifying yourself with a certain belief, which is a way of defining yourself. By defining yourself you are promoting the idea of yourself as an individual. Viewing yourself as an individual is what causes the sense of duality between yourself and the world, which results in suffering.
If your goal is to experience no-self then it seems you need to try harder.
-------------------- All I know is that I dont know. Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.
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allisthesame
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Ouch... you have to try harder to be nicer but hey so do I;oh and that was plain ownage, by the way.
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A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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smilieface
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hmm,seems you're missing the point.Being one with the world doesnt mean you have to sacrafice reason.Your response suggests you have an aversion to the concept...I wonder why.
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: Chronic7]
#8188240 - 03/24/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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for me what you are trying to express is quite simple ,and even explainable in scientific terms.We are made up of elements that also make up the universe.We are mostly water,and its no surprise water is so abundant on earth,for instance.I could go on but i'm not a scientist and won't pretend to be.It IS a profound thing to be aware that we are one in this elemental sense with the universe..but it isnt fanciful at all.How else are we one with the world around us?Everything IS relative.The lion shares more in common with us than not.Right down to basic emotions which they experience to some degree like we do. It may be thrown around alot..but for good reason.It's true. I would argue that knowing we are one with the world doesnt necessarilly mean less suffering..to the contrary.. when there is so much suffering in the world ...empathy means I feel it. my two cents
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: smilieface]
#8188343 - 03/24/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Someone was asking about the whole "one" concept. That is meant very literally. Everything is essentially the same 1 thing.
If you watched water turn to ice in front of your very eyes. Could you definitively point to the exact moment in time that it turned to ice? Could you say "stop". It is now officially ice. This is the time that water officially becomes ice.
The idea that things are seperate and different is an illusion of sorts. The water that became ice never turned into anything else, it remained the same.
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: Chronic7]
#8192460 - 03/25/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some choose suffering, some choose life.. ..some combine the two! :p
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: Chronic7]
#8208213 - 03/28/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oneness is a concept that describes that everything existing is the same. "We are all one is 'one' with, we are all the same." Anonymous
Think of it as, we are all the one, the one and only thing which is absolute in its existence and proceeds to harbour any facet of experience.
This concept is how i understood it; with the following logic.
Notice that all us who seem different, do the same thing - it being; What We WANT.
Since this is undoubtably true, we can also say the following;
Since you can only derive ONE thing, from ONE thing - and not TWO different things from ONE thing. Ie/ 1=(derives)1 is possible, whereas 1=(derives)2 is impossible. Then it is also likely to say the following; SINCE - we all do ONE thing - (what we want) - then it source, the thing it is being derived from(US) must be ONE thing.
Real life example;
JAJA color Blind person who did not know he had this disability, decided to make a shirt for himself which is the color of the sky. MOFI non-color blind person asks JAJA to make 50 shirts for him, which are the color of the sky, without the knowledge that he has a blindness to the color, which is normally known of sky to be. JAJA says "I will make you one, because I want too" MOFI says "I will pay you 500 dollars, the last of my savings for them, because i want too." A week later JAJA sends him the shirts through email as soon as he get the money from MOFI. MOFI is happy about getting what he wanted and opens the package only to feel anger and resentment. He cursed all night about "What type of person could do this?!!! He must be a fucking asshole, this is the reason!!!?? I will steal my money back and break his nose!! An asshole can only be the source of this pain" he thought, so the asshole must be stopped to make the source of the suffering go away "Because a problem can only be solved by going to the source!!!" Minutes later he recieves a call from JAJA asking if he liked the shirts. "Hey MOFI, did you like them?" Wondering if his gift had pleased his friend." JAJA you asshole, You lied to me!! You said they were going to be the color of the sky and they are not the color!!! You are an asshole for this." JAJA was angered because he tried very hard to create the shirts quickly "He screamed back, saying "FUCK you MOFI, they are the color of the sky, you are wrong, you are the asshole" They screamed without end for a minute before hanging up on each other never to speak again.
Ironically MOFI and JAJA were doing the same thing all along, and could not see it because they had no knowledge about it - relying on their eyes only to show them they were.
Even all this writing is interconnected to that knowledge, it seems like what differs then between people is not what they are, but what they have, to express what they are....
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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allisthesame
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: JoseLibrado]
#8212195 - 03/29/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lovely story, my man.
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A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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It was wrong of me to say life is suffering, i mean Dukka for which theres no english word, its basically the striving for oneness/love, the beautiful struggle of life.
All life has this perception of separateness to strive for oneness, we just have the ability to take out the block between the love/oneness, the block is "I" "Me" "Mine"
So seeing life is suffering is not bad thing, its very beautiful and expressive, i just dont mean suffering as in misery, i mean an ache for love. 
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allisthesame
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Re: Life is suffering... [Re: Chronic7]
#8216873 - 03/30/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You have to able to make a change in order for you to be anointed with enlightenment. and it doesn't mean anyone wins necessarily because in the end we all win... except evil... which will always lose.
-------------------- Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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Suffering is a term created by the mind methinks. Now all you have to do is realize this and be content.
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smilieface
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sometimes the suffering is just too much.There aren't enough...if any..actual sanctuaries for a suffering soul to seek refuge.
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