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President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game.
    #8225910 - 04/01/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I love how the announcer is awkwardly silent during the boos. :lol:


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8226121 - 04/01/08 08:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What, no snipers in the nosebleeds? :undecided:

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8226127 - 04/01/08 08:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

that must feel awful lol...He must of felt like a piece of shit after that.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: aDoS]
    #8226163 - 04/01/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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He must of felt like a piece of shit after that.



I think that's pretty appropriate that he feel like a piece of shit because, well, ya know.  :shrug:


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: aDoS]
    #8226410 - 04/01/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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that must feel awful lol...He must of felt like a piece of shit after that.




If you think he gives a fuck, you're delusional.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8226434 - 04/01/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sometimes when you look at his face you see the same expression as that of a kid who got lost and wandered off from his family in an amusement park.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8226453 - 04/01/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I couldn't agree more. :kingtard:


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8226462 - 04/01/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just understand that MANY of the Presidents of the United States have undertaken actions during their term that the populace as a whole did not agree with. Sometimes this disapproval was extremely vocal.

In many, if not most of these cases the course of action the President has taken, while unpopular at the time, has proven in the long run to have been the right thing to do.

Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War.
Truman and the Korean War.
Roosevelt and the New Deal.
Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase.
Etc, etc.

Anyone who reads my posts here knows that I hate George Bush and think he is quite possibly the worst President we've ever had. I think his policies are absolutely ruinous and have little or no basis in actual fact.

But to him, this DOES NOT matter one whit. He is absolutely convinced, both by his own temperament and the words of the advisers he surrounds himself with that his Presidency is on a similar path to the ones I mentioned above.

It's not that he doesn't think he's hated. He knows that. He can read the newspapers. It's not that he's not smart enough to realize that. He just has an almost religious certainty that he is infallibly correct.

He is absolutely convinced that history will prove him to have been correct.

That's why he doesn't care what you think.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8227052 - 04/02/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Deep down he cares, and he cries inside of himself, but with no one to console him he turns his sadness and fears inward and decends into dementia. Like, or something, y'know?

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8227112 - 04/02/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was watching this.

I have to say, a part of me as a decent human being (I'd like to think of myself as such, at least) felt sympathy for him. I mean, being booed by 35,000+ people (the cheers were a vast minority, I don't care how subsequent articles reported it in their coverage) definitely hurts. You could see the frustration in his face. That being said, my sympathy did not last long.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8227113 - 04/02/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, I disagree completely.

:blush:


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8227511 - 04/02/08 05:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have to say, a part of me as a decent human being (I'd like to think of myself as such, at least) felt sympathy for him.




You're like Frodo. :hehehe:


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8227542 - 04/02/08 05:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> What, no snipers in the nosebleeds? :undecided:

No, the snipers are in Hillary's story, not Bush' story.  :wink:

> I love how the announcer is awkwardly silent during the boos.

A quiet moment to show respect.

> I mean, being booed by 35,000+ people

... shows just how happy his employers with his job performance.  Unfortunately, Bush forgot that he is the employee, not the employer/"decider".  For that alone, he deserves every boo he gets.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8229587 - 04/02/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You could see the frustration in his face. That being said, my sympathy did not last long.





I agree, i can also see the frustration , he looked like he wanted to cry.

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #8229596 - 04/02/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

He didn't look like he had a lot of pride seeing how history will prove his greatness.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8230492 - 04/02/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

History will be re-writt... err... history will vindicate him just like with Reagan.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #8230704 - 04/02/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i don't see it. i heard just as many people cheering as booing; it's easier to hear boos than cheers, just because of the dynamic/physical differences between those sounds.

not defending the man, just stating what i heard.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #8231225 - 04/02/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if by vindicate you mean completely distorted, then, yes.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Syle]
    #8231977 - 04/03/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

[quoteit's easier to hear boos than cheers]




No way, higher pitched sound is percieved to be louder at the same decibel level as a lower pitched sound.

Listen to the stand up bass in a 7 piece jazz band, you'll understand.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8232282 - 04/03/08 05:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> Listen to the stand up bass in a 7 piece jazz band, you'll understand.

Or compare the number of tubas to the number of piccolos (high pitch flute) in a marching band. There may be ten or more tubas (low pitch horn), but only a single piccolo.

Edit:

Just noticed this is political discussion and not S&T. Apologies for going off topic.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Seuss]
    #8232360 - 04/03/08 06:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Now I'm curious to hear what you said.

It's not really off-topic if it's a discussion of the political subject. Was he booed more heavily than he was cheered? I think it's a valid discussion.

If you have some insight that would give us more information why should you edit it?


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Seuss]
    #8232670 - 04/03/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I hear about 40% cheer there.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8232857 - 04/03/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't hear any booing, and I have heard this before with booing.

It doesn't matter how much of an amoral tool you are, being surrounded by thousands of people booing you is unsettling, to say the least.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8240021 - 04/04/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wonder how many snipers were out there...so much green...


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #8241220 - 04/05/08 02:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good, motherfucker deserved it. RIP BM.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #8241283 - 04/05/08 03:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> Wonder how many snipers were out there...so much green...

As I mentioned before, wrong story... Hillary is the one that likes to pretend there are snipers around while Bush is the one that likes to pretend that he prevented Vietnam from invading the US mainland.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8242492 - 04/05/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, I hear about 40% cheer there.



I'd put it closer to 30%. Like his approval rating :lol:


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8242935 - 04/05/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree, but it is a baseball game and the only bigtime baseball fans I know are right wingers...

Not that leftys are not baseball fans, but shit, baseball is what churches play in the summer.

Maybe B-Rock's church plays B-Ball, but they're clearly a little left leaning :werd:


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8243055 - 04/05/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree, but it is a baseball game and the only bigtime baseball fans I know are right wingers...




Are you kidding? You have to be reasonably intelligent to appreciate baseball, and you have to be as dumb as a fucking post to be a Republican.

The two are mutually exclusive except for the rare exception where a person might actually be just bright enough to understand the Infield Fly rule but still unable to comprehend exactly how George Bush has swindled them into The War and The Recession.

You'll see more Bush bumper stickers at a NASCAR race or an NFL game. They generally like their sports like their politics; nasty, loud, and easy to understand.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8243078 - 04/05/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Who doesn't understand the infield fly rule?

But, in anycase, I was only speaking from experience, remember that I'm from a republican, slowly developing farm town with a graduating class of 160.

Most people I know from there are liberal in the sense that CNN is liberal (centrist), and the rest are dumb hicks that can't think for themselves.

But there was that one hot, smart bitch that I always liked until I had her in our Senior Government class. She was totally republican and would debate me all the time and lose, she just had no real backup with facts...

Anyways, after that, I still wanted to fuck her, only really hard to fuck some sence into her.  :jiggy:

o0o BTW, she loved baseball...


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I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8243094 - 04/05/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you can find yourself a pretty one that likes baseball, I would snatch her up.

You can always work on her politics later.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8243119 - 04/05/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

She's loaded too, her dad is my hometown dentist.

She killed a girl in 8th grade in a very tradgic 4-wheeler accident and she's (from my perspective) got a lot to work through still, and I personally have enough problems to deal with.

I mean, dealing with killing your best friend seems like a fucking big deal ya know? To the best of my knowledge, friends of hers, etc, she's never really connected with anyone to really talk about it. Sounds pent up to me.


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I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8243189 - 04/05/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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They generally like their sports like their politics; nasty, loud, and easy to understand.



That's a frigging gem.  :dielaughing:

In all seriousness I doubt there is much of a correlation between baseball fandom and political leanings. It's especially hard to make this case being a Red Sox fan in Boston surrounded by godless, commie, liberals (heh).  I'd guess the Nats' stadium was a reasonable political cross-section IMO.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8243207 - 04/05/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I personally don't think many sports are easier to understand than baseball. There are a few rules that slip some by, but shit, football comes down to rules that change damn near every year.

That shit can be hard to follow sometimes.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8243229 - 04/05/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree completely.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. *DELETED* [Re: dill705]
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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8243297 - 04/05/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree, but it is a baseball game and the only bigtime baseball fans I know are right wingers...




Are you kidding? You have to be reasonably intelligent to appreciate baseball, and you have to be as dumb as a fucking post to be a Republican.





Oh really? I'll put my understanding of baseball up against your misunderstanding of baseball any day


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8243307 - 04/05/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'd guess the Nats' stadium was a reasonable political cross-section IMO.




No, I don't think so. They elect crackheads to be mayor as long as there's a D in front of his name.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8243318 - 04/05/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree, but it is a baseball game and the only bigtime baseball fans I know are right wingers...




Are you kidding? You have to be reasonably intelligent to appreciate baseball, and you have to be as dumb as a fucking post to be a Republican.





Oh really? I'll put my understanding of baseball up against your misunderstanding of baseball any day




I said there are exceptions. I happen to know you're an intelligent guy. I can't for the life of me understand how you've come to the political beliefs that you have, but I respect your ability to elucidate and rationalize them.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8243385 - 04/05/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Much of my political opinion comes from an understanding of human behaviour. Specifically, as elucidated by the principles of the behaviourists.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8245717 - 04/06/08 07:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So Zappa, you prefer "non gay" christian guys soliciting gay sex in airport bathrooms over "crackheads" with the the D in front of their name?


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Chemy]
    #8245728 - 04/06/08 08:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I personally don't think many sports are easier to understand than baseball. There are a few rules that slip some by, but shit, football comes down to rules that change damn near every year.

That shit can be hard to follow sometimes.



1 word, NASCAR.

I don't even consider NASCAR a sport, but for those that do, are you saying baseball is easier to follow than NASCAR?




I don't consider nascar a sport. I don't even capitalize it. But how did a smart guy like you take that away from what I said? Few sports are easier to understand than baseball. Like tennis.

Tennis is pretty easy to understand. nascar is a redneck fanclub, kinda like tractor pulls.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8245874 - 04/06/08 09:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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So Zappa, you prefer "non gay" christian guys soliciting gay sex in airport bathrooms over "crackheads" with the the D in front of their name?




Nope. They are both douchebags. Surely you realize there is a whole universe of douchebaggery available for humans to embrace. I was merely refuting someone's foolish notion that the populace of Washington DC and environs is in any way evenly divided between liberal and conservative. DC is overwhelmingly liberal.

But that was a nice attempt to raise a straw man, deflect a point and generally utter nonsense. I always appreciate a strong effort. Even t3h stoopit ones.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8245944 - 04/06/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I really find your behaviorism influence in politics to be interesting, but you didn't elaborate...

I take it that you mean you don't support welfare, because that's a positive reinforcement of "bad" behavior?

Hopefully there is more to this, believe it or not, you may be on track to change some of my opinions here.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8245965 - 04/06/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You are quite correct in your general assessment. I do not believe in rewarding undesirable behavior.

Another concept from my psychology years (at least I got something other than disgust out of it) is that of The Dignity of Risk. There is no dignity in being coddled and cosseted in a hermetically sealed safety net one's entire life. It encourages even more risk taking and makes the individual an even greater burden on the rest of the nation. People need to be allowed to fail and to know that that is a possibility. Otherwise, where is the glory of success? Nowhere, it has been taken out, like those ridiculous rules whereby they no longer keep score in schoolyard games.

There is a psychopathology wherein certain individuals lose the fear reflex. They almost invariably die young.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8246033 - 04/06/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree for the most part. My own story involves failure, and not to long after failure I have my GED, am enrolled in college, got a job, got an apartment, grow my own shrooms. I'm making out since I hit bottom.

What do you think about social security, medicare, disability, and the like?

To me it seems like we can't just get rid of all forms of help. Sometimes they are necessary, like when my dad broke his neck. My mom got another job, I helped out, yet we had to have a benefit dinner to raise the money to pay our bills for 3 months. Without help from the community, my family would have suffered unnecessarily.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8246117 - 04/06/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe in a certain level of help for the truly unfortunate. People who choose to buy homes in areas that cannot be covered by insurance should consider it a warning that there is great risk there. They get fuck all. Likewise stupid breeders. There are few things known to man that can ruin your life more than a baby you can't afford. Being unemployable because you are covered in piercings and tattoos is likewise bullshit as is being a junky or a drunk.

Social Security is a fucking disastrous Ponzi scheme. If they had invested the money instead of spending it like crackwhores it would have been great. Instead, they gave it to welfare moms. Moynihan warned against welfare and he was as liberal as they come. I made a huge post analysis about Soc Sec some years ago. Maybe I can find it. What to do with soc sec now? Raise the retirement age for one thing. 65 was set when people lived ten years or more less than they do now. If you want to retire at 65 you damn well better take care of your finances yoourself. How there became a notion that someone had the right to retire, on the gummint titty, when they are quite capable of working is beyond me. Well no, it isn't beyond me, I know exactly where it came from. Liberal handouts. Liars telling lies to get votes.
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Sinmilar principles can apply to foreign policy but behavior modification is only successful when consistently applied. At the time the Iraq War began there was near unanimous support. A message that a resolute America would send to various bad actors could have been quite helpful. Unfortunately, a short-minded electorate has been pandered to by some of the very same people who voted for it in the first place. And the constant criticism of the prosecution of the war is nonsensical Monday Morning quarterbacking. Theater critics given a huge column on the NYTimes OpEd page do not suddenly accrue any credibility on matters of the real world. Especially when they incessantly lie.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8246127 - 04/06/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm with until you started talking about The Great Swindle that was this War.

I agree with everything else.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8246146 - 04/06/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm with until you started talking about The Great Swindle that was this War.

I agree with everything else.




Shit, I even agree that welfare was/is liberal handouts in return for votes.

Capitalism as it stands today is one giant ponzi scheme, just so that you know. Check out wiccan_seekers sig, it's got a real cool link to a movie about money.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8246166 - 04/06/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I :heart: Capitalism, but the real kind.  Not the stuff the Republicans are perpetrating as Capitalism today where companies take big risks and then get hand-outs from their friends in the Administration when the risks don't work out.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8246238 - 04/06/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know, it seems like a giant ponzi to me. The banks loan the "money", but really it's just a piece of paper representing the money owed to the bank through another loan.

Then they add interest. How do you pay interest? Interest makes no sense, it's what makes this a ponzi scheme. Eventually the entire system will collapse.

Someone please explain to me how, with a set amount of money made, we can pay that money back, plus more that was never made.

Plus, capitaliam is completely dependant on growth, but how is this sustainable? The world is already overpopulated, resources will run out, etc...

I think changes in more than just the current administration need to be made here.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8246257 - 04/06/08 11:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think you are misapplying Capitalism to capitalism as currently practiced, which has rather a large amount of baggage attached. And interest is fine. It certainly has it's place. Think of it as rent.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8246267 - 04/06/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, if by baggage you mean the federal reserve bank.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8246277 - 04/06/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:ronpaul:

I'm not sure how that was never made a smiley.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8246298 - 04/06/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why don't you suggest it? Ythan likes RP.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: dill705]
    #8246305 - 04/06/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A little pointless now, dontcha think?


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8246378 - 04/06/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, not really. It would have been sweet in your last post.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8247125 - 04/06/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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:ronpaul:

I'm not sure how that was never made a smiley.



This will have to do. :lol: Sorry this hasn't gotten old for me yet.


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Re: President Bush being booed at Washington Nationals game. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8247133 - 04/06/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That's what that pic is all over the boards for? :lol:


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