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highc
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Animals and Psilocybin
#8221307 - 03/31/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Is it fair to let an animal experience a psychedelic trip. Psilocybin can give one such beautiful visions of self. An animal should have the same right i believe. I mean give animal small amount to see how it reacts. I had a dog eat shrooms and have a good trip. It would be easy to get them in the right setting and mind state. Give a dog a pigs ear or something. Drawback is animal wont really know what to make of it and not see it coming. But in all fairness anyone using a psychedelic may not know what to make of their trip or see what is coming.
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Atheist
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: highc]
#8221314 - 03/31/08 07:41 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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i hate threads like this
i vote NO
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: highc]
#8221329 - 03/31/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Ah, no. It's not good for the animal and wastes good shrooms.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: highc]
#8221331 - 03/31/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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uhh if they eat it then thats there choice
but purposely dosing animals with psychedelics is not right...
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: highc]
#8221346 - 03/31/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I don't see anything wrong with it if you leave a very small amount out and an animal makes the decision to eat it. I have a big problem with people who force feed animals drugs or lace their food with it though.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Wysefool]
#8221358 - 03/31/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Invalid poll.
Also if you think your animal will know what to think during this experience well you just might have downs synrome.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Wysefool]
#8221371 - 03/31/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Wysefool said: I don't see anything wrong with it if you leave a very small amount out and an animal makes the decision to eat it. I have a big problem with people who force feed animals drugs or lace their food with it though.
so if i leave a bunch of dark chocolate out for my dog to get, its his fault that he dies right?
yea that makes perfect sense
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Atheist
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poll is not invalid, you either think it is ok or not
STAL is not needed.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: highc]
#8221396 - 03/31/08 08:01 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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highc said: Is it fair to let an animal experience a psychedelic trip. Psilocybin can give one such beautiful visions of self. An animal should have the same right i believe. I mean give animal small amount to see how it reacts. I had a dog eat shrooms and have a good trip. It would be easy to get them in the right setting and mind state. Give a dog a pigs ear or something. Drawback is animal wont really know what to make of it and not see it coming. But in all fairness anyone using a psychedelic may not know what to make of their trip or see what is coming.
How do you know the animal is even experiencing the same things you are? Is your brain the same as a dog's? Do you have the same receptor sites that they do? Is it possible to have a bad experience with psychedelics? You say an animal has a right to something, I say you are making a decision for the animal without its consent.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: highc]
#8221400 - 03/31/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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do you have downs syndrome?
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They aren't sentient, and therefore there is no use in giving them psychedelics; the have no sense of self, so they won't be able to relate their experience with their life.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#8221510 - 03/31/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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the have no sense of self
are you God?
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#8221520 - 03/31/08 08:21 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Pffft...
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Atheist]
#8221570 - 03/31/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Atheist said: the have no sense of self
are you God?
Yes.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#8221573 - 03/31/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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They experience themselves completely differently than we do. To say "they're not sentient" is so...presumptuous. We barely know ANYTHING about how our OWN consciousness functions, how are we to presume that animals don't experience a sense of self? Just because they don't use tools and express their consciousness through interaction with the environment? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Atheist
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animals are robots
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I think it's irresponsible. No one deserves to be dosed with anything without knowledge of what they're taking. Though as a side note: I have mixed feelings of drugs being used on animals, however in a professional context I have less problems.
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If you spend time with dogs it seems so obvious that they are sentient. They have the same basic brain structure they we do, they experience the same basic emotions, such fear, anger, happiness etc. The difference between humans and other animals is that humans have developed the ability to question self. We ask what we are? Why are we? How are we?. Other animals have a self, they just don't have the ability to question it. They just "are", without any need to question, they just experience it, which is beautiful and natural in its own way. If they did have the ability to question it, they would start to express these questions to each other through some form of philosophy just like we do. They would develop there own form of complex language and there own music etc.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Atheist]
#8221632 - 03/31/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Atheist said:
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Wysefool said: I don't see anything wrong with it if you leave a very small amount out and an animal makes the decision to eat it. I have a big problem with people who force feed animals drugs or lace their food with it though.
so if i leave a bunch of dark chocolate out for my dog to get, its his fault that he dies right?
yea that makes perfect sense
Did you miss the part where I said a small amount? Is it my fault if I let my dog outside to run in a field and there happens to be poisonous mushrooms there I didn't know about that he eats? I doubt that if he came across some cocoa seeds in the wild and ate his fill he would die, it's us concentrating it into a chocolate bar that makes it so dangerous.
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Re: Animals and Psilocybin [Re: Wysefool]
#8221875 - 03/31/08 09:28 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Don't force them to, if they want to on their own thats their deal.
Anything else is animal abuse
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