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InvisibleChronic7

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No thought can take you to One/God/Love
    #8213507 - 03/30/08 05:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thoughts are concepts, theyre nature is to compare, this or that, good or bad, joy or suffering.  There has to be an object and subject.

That is why no thought can lead you to oneness/unconditional love/god, that is why philosophers & scientists are generally atheists. They think in concepts of duality. So there will always be an internal struggle of "Dukka" which is the ache for wanting to know the truth. We all have this internal ache for wanting to understand the ultimate truth.

Love/Oneness/God/Ultimate truth is not dual it is one.
How could the ultimate truth be dual? That would imply it is not ultimate or absolute.

Even when science prooves all is one thing there will still be an ache, what is this one thing?

If you ask your mind it will always answer, yet these answers will always have a flip side as the very process of thought & concept is that of comparison they are conditions of duality, as is life, this is why thinking will never answer the question of "Dukka", every thought you have is an attachment to a concept.

Throw away your bibles and religious texts, throw away your science books and recorded lectures, throw away your self, throw away your attachment to wanting to know the truth. Then & only then the truth is there, the ultimate truth is one thing, concepts & words are not theyre very nature is that of comparing, how can you compare that which is all to anything else!? its impossible!!!

:peace: & :heart:


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8213841 - 03/30/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"Rather than continuing to seek the truth, simply let go of your views."
~Gautama Buddha


I agree and disagree.

I believe in order to ummm "feel" the "truth", you must let go of everything you've learned, as this "truth" is experienced based rather than an accumulation of knowledge.

I can tell you a whole world of whatever and you'll be like "yes, no, whatever" and you'll never "feel" what I'm saying until you experience it yourself.

If you're a "by the book" type person, then yes throw away everything because you have a lot of work. But if you take bits and pieces of everything which applies to your experiences so far in life, then I think that's a much more logical way to seek the "truth".

please don't define what "truth" means as I use that word in the vaguest way possible.

also, I love your einstien quote. I totally fucking agree. Einstien had his flaws though. He doesn't/didn't like Quantum physics, which I think is kinda interesting. Didn't like that it wasn't as predictable as like Newtonian physics. *Side note generalization: Newtonian physics= large objects like a pendulum.... Quantum mechanics= subatomic particles... I guess how the brain works.


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8214481 - 03/30/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Throw away your bibles and religious texts, throw away your science books and recorded lectures, throw away your self, throw away your attachment to wanting to know the truth. Then & only then the truth is there, the ultimate truth is one thing, concepts & words are not theyre very nature is that of comparing, how can you compare that which is all to anything else!? its impossible!!!


And you know all this how oh wise one?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Icelander]
    #8214689 - 03/30/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

BOOM, icelander drops the bomb!!!


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Cracka_X]
    #8216647 - 03/30/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Somebody's got to.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8216709 - 03/30/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i can't think myself out of existence


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: demiu5]
    #8217355 - 03/30/08 11:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Logic and reason are one thing. Love and hate are two? no three things? what about the divsion of love and hate...? man and woman? that division is you and you are one with everything. but what if you take you out of the picture? what's left is...


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: allisthesame]
    #8217511 - 03/30/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what about the man AND woman? i don't mean this in a cheap sense, but seriously...what about a transgender in that which you describe?


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: mushroomsteve]
    #8217547 - 03/30/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That would creep the shit out of me, man.

No, I'm using men and women as metaphors... the way we think is all to different. or is it?

Oh and jeez... really a transgender humanoid? One whom can procreate through and through? Once again disgust comes to mind.


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: allisthesame]
    #8218572 - 03/31/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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allisthesame said:
Oh and jeez... really a transgender humanoid? One whom can procreate through and through? Once again disgust comes to mind.




i'd say that's a pretty socially constructed opinion of disgust, especially concerning how many other organisms (animals, bacteria, plants) that reproduce asexually or through no sexual means (parthenogenesis)


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: demiu5]
    #8218593 - 03/31/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Theres a big difference between both and nothing... Especially in this case.



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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Icelander]
    #8219218 - 03/31/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Throw away your bibles and religious texts, throw away your science books and recorded lectures, throw away your self, throw away your attachment to wanting to know the truth. Then & only then the truth is there, the ultimate truth is one thing, concepts & words are not theyre very nature is that of comparing, how can you compare that which is all to anything else!? its impossible!!!


And you know all this how oh wise one?





You cant know it, theres nothing wise about it, theres nothing to be wise of.

Its all just emptiness. No knower and no known.

You can know it cause many prophets have said it, but to be it you cant know it.

Believe in the mind if you like, the mind is what keeps us from the truth as the absolute truth cant be known through dualistic mind. Belief is a concept too.


"anybody that gives you a belief system is your enemy"

Osho

The trick is to watch your mind believing all these things to be true, realising that your are not these beliefs, eventually they just fall away, i wish i could fully do this but its so hard after 24 years of believing i am the mind. Its a rocky road enlightenment...i don't come off as wise or anything im the same as anyone else, just a human being trying to find love i ahve my ups & downs and they're very extreme but in my ups i have glimpsed the truth, there's no ego in that cause there was no "I" to glimpse, just an "I" to report back...slowly but surely this "I" is crumbling away, its very painful but completely worth it, as this "I" never existed in the first place, all thats falling away is an illusion, a false identity.


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8219264 - 03/31/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'You can know it cause many prophets have said it, but to be it you cant know it.'



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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8219386 - 03/31/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I take reassurance in the fact that nothing you have said in this thread is the truth of the matter because its nothing but thoughts. :smirk:


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8219393 - 03/31/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Be sure to reread my thread (no link) wherein I explain that our very last belief is always the correct view of life no matter how many times we have shifted before.


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8220369 - 03/31/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps this is because the key to experiencing that dissolution of self which is so integral to the psychedelic experience is found in your right hemisphere, which is the more intuitive, non-logical part of your brain?

Thinking merely strengthens the logical, rational side of you which is encapsulated in the left hemisphere.  Obviously both rationality and mysticism are important, but seeking enlightenment through thought is self-defeating.  To understand, simply stop seeking. :laugh:


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8220387 - 03/31/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
I take reassurance in the fact that nothing you have said in this thread is the truth of the matter because its nothing but thoughts. :smirk:




Your right!
Every single word ever spoken is a lie (if we are reffering to ultimate absolute truth)
They are all futile attempts to capture direct experience.
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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8220446 - 03/31/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'They are all futile attempts to capture direct experience.'

In light of this knowledge...
You sure give it a dizzying go.


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8220460 - 03/31/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I cant help it man lol i do think about shutting up but straight after meditating the compassion that comes from direct seeing means i have to tell people, its not like i have a choice, if i had the choice i would fuck right off just to please OC.


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8220557 - 03/31/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'...just to please OC.'

I feel that you look past the potential messages.

I have much experience with resting belief on 'truth'.
I now doubt my ability to 'directly see'.

What do you see??


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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8220801 - 03/31/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Chronic777 said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Throw away your bibles and religious texts, throw away your science books and recorded lectures, throw away your self, throw away your attachment to wanting to know the truth. Then & only then the truth is there, the ultimate truth is one thing, concepts & words are not theyre very nature is that of comparing, how can you compare that which is all to anything else!? its impossible!!!


And you know all this how oh wise one?





You cant know it, theres nothing wise about it, theres nothing to be wise of.

Its all just emptiness. No knower and no known.

You can know it cause many prophets have said it, but to be it you cant know it.

Believe in the mind if you like, the mind is what keeps us from the truth as the absolute truth cant be known through dualistic mind. Belief is a concept too.


"anybody that gives you a belief system is your enemy"

Osho

The trick is to watch your mind believing all these things to be true, realising that your are not these beliefs, eventually they just fall away, i wish i could fully do this but its so hard after 24 years of believing i am the mind. Its a rocky road enlightenment...i don't come off as wise or anything im the same as anyone else, just a human being trying to find love i ahve my ups & downs and they're very extreme but in my ups i have glimpsed the truth, there's no ego in that cause there was no "I" to glimpse, just an "I" to report back...slowly but surely this "I" is crumbling away, its very painful but completely worth it, as this "I" never existed in the first place, all thats falling away is an illusion, a false identity.




And you know all this how oh wise one? If you don't believe in your mind try posting your POV without it.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: No thought can take you to One/God/Love [Re: Chronic7]
    #8220812 - 03/31/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Chronic777 said:
I cant help it man lol i do think about shutting up but straight after meditating the compassion that comes from direct seeing means i have to tell people, its not like i have a choice, if i had the choice i would fuck right off just to please OC.




Saying you don't have a choice is self-ingulgent non-sense. We all have choice about what comes out of our mouth. Get real dude.


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