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Why can you not make a giant pf cake
    #8204173 - 03/27/08 10:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

This may be a stupid question but I was thinking of it the other day. Why couldnt I take my grain jars and use brf and vermiculite the pf cake mix as a bulk substrate. I do not use pf cakes so this may be a dumb question its just brf and vermiculite would be a lot easier then horse poo so I figure someone could tell me why not.

It would be cool to have a 10 foot pf cake.

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204238 - 03/27/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

it will contam

that simple


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204290 - 03/27/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Even if the verm/brf is sterilized and the jars fully colonized? That sucks

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204315 - 03/27/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i have made a 3 and a half pint cake before.

just put use a cheese grater on 7 cakes into a pie pan.

makes the best first flush ever.

but then again thats just a casing.

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: galadar]
    #8204521 - 03/28/08 12:04 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

eh, it might work if you're only using colonized cakes... but it won't last for 4 months like some bulks can >.>


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: anarchOi]
    #8204558 - 03/28/08 12:13 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

If you're looking for a decent bulk but are unwilling to work with manure, try coir. Bought from a pet shop it is as cheap as dirt, (pun intended) and is quite easy to work with. Coir amended well can perform quite well, not as well as poo in my opinion, but it will certainly outgrow BRF and verm.


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #8204596 - 03/28/08 12:23 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

BRF is extremely nutritous for mushrooms
infact, i'd say BRF is MUCH more nutritous than poo

that's why we use poo, enough nutrients for the shrooms but not much there for contams
BRF is open to all kind of bacterial contams, much more trich savvy, etc
hardly suitable in terms of bulk, but if you can make it work, you will have quite a flush

as far as potency... iunno


i would say try spawning the cakes to straw
depending where you live, Cow poo is extremely cheap and easy to use if you're vermahappy


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204609 - 03/28/08 12:26 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

are you saying to try cow poo and verm? would that work good?

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204660 - 03/28/08 12:46 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)



It's possible but a waste considering you can get just as good yields with smaller cakes. Less time and less risk of not only contaminating, but stalling for theirs too much weight packed down. Anything past a half pint isn't optimal.

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204740 - 03/28/08 01:22 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

dude why would I use a half pint of brf and verm for a quart of colinized grain. That would defeat the point of a bulk substrate.

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204746 - 03/28/08 01:25 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

anarchOi, you are entirely correct. I just did my homework: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7725597#Post7725597

Post amended.


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #8204753 - 03/28/08 01:29 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

You can have the same success with brf cakes. Use a cheese greater and great the cake. That way theirs more inoculation points when spawning to manure.

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8204802 - 03/28/08 02:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

As stated before, BRF is very good in small amounts to cultivate mycelium and fruit directly from it.
However it's a lot more dense than WBS or rye, so mycelium takes longer to colonize it.
As dumbfounded said, the bottom parts of really big BRF cake are compacted quiet a lot by the weight of the rest of the cake and probably would take a VERY long time to colonize completely.
This time increases the risk of contamination dramatically and is superfluous, when you can get the same results in a lot less time and a smaller risk of contams.

Creating "big cakes" is done pretty easily and a lot faster when crumble and case the half pint cakes to a tray.
Has always worked good for me. It's easy, very contam resistant and fruits quiet good (just as a big cake would do).

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: Fahkface]
    #8204811 - 03/28/08 02:22 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

you guys know im not talking about cakes. I am not saying make a big pf cake im saying use a colonized grain jar and then use the brf and vermiculite as a bulk substrate. So colonization time wouldn't be the problem because you would have colonized rye all over the place. The answer to my question was that it is much more prone to contamination.

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: mooowi]
    #8204834 - 03/28/08 02:33 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Haha, I didn't even read your original post (maybe I should start doing this...).
Anyway, beside the fact that it's a lot more likely to contam, it's a lot more expensive than using straw and poo or coir.
Additionally it also would take a lot longer to colonize (due to it's density), again increasing chances of contams.

But well... you got what you wanted...

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: Fahkface]
    #8204880 - 03/28/08 03:12 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

BRF as a substrate eh? interesting take on it, But main reason would be price I'd say Though BRF is supposed to be 10 times as nutritious compared to poo or straw (according to an un-recalled source on this sight). Still it stands to reason that I've heard more people say poo/straw mixed or poo/coir mixed was the best.

Either way I'd suggest trying it out in a tray if you want I may even give it a shot myself.


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8205302 - 03/28/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

dumbfounded1600 said:
It's possible but a waste considering you can get just as good yields with smaller cakes. Less time and less risk of not only contaminating, but stalling for theirs too much weight packed down. Anything past a half pint isn't optimal.





All of the cakes in my gallery are pint cakes
infact, i've never even fruited a half pint
Pint cake is the way to go


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: anarchOi]
    #8205354 - 03/28/08 09:26 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Pint cake is the way to go




Doubtful!

Half pints are advised for a reason.
The risk for pint cakes to contaminate is definitely bigger than for half pint cakes, since the mycelium is exposed a lot longer to the bacterial and mold benefiting micro climate in the jar.

It works most of the time, but isn't the way to go, in my opinion.

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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: Fahkface]
    #8205380 - 03/28/08 09:39 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i never had any of my cakes contam >.>

i don't see how a cake in a sterilized jar could ever contam if it had dust filter and verm layer

half pints don't yeild anything >.> not even enough for one person to trip lol


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Re: Why can you not make a giant pf cake [Re: anarchOi]
    #8205434 - 03/28/08 09:55 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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half pints don't yeild anything >.> not even enough for one person to trip lol




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