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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: beneath]
    #8203252 - 03/27/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

many of us deal with schizophrenia/depression, me being one of them. but this is not OTD and you aren't shaming anyone.it is ok to be weak once in a while and it is shitty when there is no one there to catch you, but there are people who give a shit whether or not you live or die.

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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: anyone420]
    #8203253 - 03/27/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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i just think its wrong to prevent someone from doing what they want to their own body as a principal




I totally agree. And I just think that sometimes you have to override that principal if you think that someone isn't making a clearly thought-out choice.




this sounds good.. but where do you draw the line?

to what end does it go?

i understand where your commin from, but i still disagree

besides, maybe i'm the one who isnt making a clearly thought out choice if i were to prevent his suicide.




Why do I have to draw lines?

Why I can't apply my principals on a case-by-case basis with evidence and feelings presented to me at the moment I am dealing with?

Unbeliever puts it beautifully.


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: unbeliever]
    #8203255 - 03/27/08 08:16 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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So your saying to just let this duide die?
What if it was someone in your family?
A brother, sister, mom, dad?
And someone said to call for help and someone else stopped him saying no man thats fucked up just let him do it...dont get the cops involved.




i am not letting this dude die its his choice and i have nothing to do with it

i just think its wrong to prevent someone from doing what they want to their own body as a principal




In general I agree with you. But since he involved us he should accept the responsibility of his actions, which may include other people reaching out to do what they think is right. Personally I'm not terribly involved either way. If I were to care at all it'd be about the people he's no doubt leaving behind, as is typical of suicide which is often the ultimate expression of selfishness.




he posted on an anonymous message board, and you didn't have to read the topic to begin with :shrug:

i dunno its an interesting topic and you guys make good points but i have to stick with the principal for the time being


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8203260 - 03/27/08 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

i'm going to go to sleep, i think ill wake yp, , i hope, negativity took controll

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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: beneath]
    #8203270 - 03/27/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

:awesome:


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #8203278 - 03/27/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

hahaha it a total  :emo: post i know :lol:''''''''''''''''''




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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8203284 - 03/27/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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i just think its wrong to prevent someone from doing what they want to their own body as a principal




I totally agree. And I just think that sometimes you have to override that principal if you think that someone isn't making a clearly thought-out choice.




this sounds good.. but where do you draw the line?

to what end does it go?

i understand where your commin from, but i still disagree

besides, maybe i'm the one who isnt making a clearly thought out choice if i were to prevent his suicide.




Why do I have to draw lines?

Why I can't apply my principals on a case-by-case basis with evidence and feelings presented to me at the moment I am dealing with?

Unbeliever puts it beautifully.




by preventing his suicide your clearly acting upon a moral basis

without principals you cant have any morality

what if i dealt with women on a case-by-case basis

date one, ignore the other, tie up and rape the third, shoot the fourth in the head...

i think a line needs to be drawn, and in this case its unclear where that line should be so i choose to stay out of it, its not my buisness


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8203286 - 03/27/08 08:21 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Unbeliever puts it beautifully.




Thank you. One of the things psychedelics have taught me is the simple beauty of paradox. I am pacifist, but would not hold back from violence if my family was threatened. I do not advocate telling people what they can or can not do with their bodies, but if a friend or family member was fucking themselves up with drugs or some other lifestyle choice, I would step in and try to help them get back on track. And at no point would I consider my principles compromised, rather they would have been reinforced.

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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: anyone420]
    #8203292 - 03/27/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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i just think its wrong to prevent someone from doing what they want to their own body as a principal




I totally agree. And I just think that sometimes you have to override that principal if you think that someone isn't making a clearly thought-out choice.




this sounds good.. but where do you draw the line?

to what end does it go?

i understand where your commin from, but i still disagree

besides, maybe i'm the one who isnt making a clearly thought out choice if i were to prevent his suicide.




Why do I have to draw lines?

Why I can't apply my principals on a case-by-case basis with evidence and feelings presented to me at the moment I am dealing with?

Unbeliever puts it beautifully.




by preventing his suicide your clearly acting upon a moral basis

without principals you cant have any morality

what if i dealt with women on a case-by-case basis

date one, ignore the other, tie up and rape the third, shoot the fourth in the head...

i think a line needs to be drawn, and in this case its unclear where that line should be so i choose to stay out of it, its not my buisness




Hyperbole is not logic.


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: unbeliever]
    #8203299 - 03/27/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

initiation of force is a lack of principal i think

your interpretation of them fucking their life up is their interpretation of living their life

we subject all things to a societal standard

losing friends because of drugs isnt necessarily a bad thing, i dont know how to put it exactly... but the sum of all things human has given us limitations of interpretation.. if that makes any sense at all :shrug:


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: g00ru]
    #8203303 - 03/27/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

What an asshole why would you post something like this.

First off suicide is not a joke you asshole, as i had a friend...a good friend who shot himself after a night of partying. He was very depressed and said things like you did...and went through with it.

He hurt allot of others after this all came out, and we all still miss him daily. If you are serious stop and think get help for yourself you obviously need it.

If not you should think about how many people you affect just by bringing up bad memories alone, when you post this garbage.


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: beneath]
    #8203306 - 03/27/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

My first instinct was to lock this thread...but there is some interesting ideas in here.  I didn't read the whole thing.

There are only a small percentage of you that are marginally 'real' to me.  :shrug:  How involved can we be in this whole thing?  I'm just a chick in my bedroom thinking about laundry.  I am virtually alone while I communicate with you guys.

This stranger wants to kill himself while he posts idiotic messages on a mushroom board.  How am I supposed to take this seriously?  Am I to be held responsible for this emotionally damaged kids actions on a bored thursday night?

Do whatever you want.  I'm not your babysitter honey.  No one is going to look out for you if you don't want to look out for you.  You know how I learned that?  Not the easy way.  :heart:

Good luck.


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: anyone420]
    #8203312 - 03/27/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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initiation of force is a lack of principal i think

your interpretation of them fucking their life up is their interpretation of living their life

we subject all things to a societal standard

losing friends because of drugs isnt necessarily a bad thing, i dont know how to put it exactly... but the sum of all things human has given us limitations of interpretation.. if that makes any sense at all :shrug:




I lost 3 friends before I even graduated high school. That's enough fucking friends to lose for a lifetime. So I guess my point of reference differs greatly from yours.


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: CherryBom]
    #8203315 - 03/27/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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My first instinct was to lock this thread...but there is some interesting ideas in here.  I didn't read the whole thing.

There are only a small percentage of you that are marginally 'real' to me.  :shrug:  How involved can we be in this whole thing?  I'm just a chick in my bedroom thinking about laundry.  I am virtually alone while I communicate with you guys.

This stranger wants to kill himself while he posts idiotic messages on a mushroom board.  How am I supposed to take this seriously?  Am I to be held responsible for this emotionally damaged kids actions on a bored thursday night?

Do whatever you want.  I'm not your babysitter honey.  No one is going to look out for you if you don't want to look out for you.  You know how I learned that?  Not the easy way.  :heart:

Good luck.




:thumbup:

thanks for not locking it

i hate when mods do that shit


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8203319 - 03/27/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

In the Pub, it goes from answers on the first page to hippies arguing about which one was right.


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: CherryBom]
    #8203326 - 03/27/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Let's play nice. No name calling!

Edited by CherryBom (03/27/08 08:35 PM)

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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: anyone420]
    #8203328 - 03/27/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

See my question is how liable am I or 'The Shroomery' going to be if this guy kills himself?

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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #8203332 - 03/27/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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In the Pub, it goes from answers on the first page to hippies arguing about which one was right.





You're wrong brah.


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: unbeliever]
    #8203334 - 03/27/08 08:31 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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initiation of force is a lack of principal i think

your interpretation of them fucking their life up is their interpretation of living their life

we subject all things to a societal standard

losing friends because of drugs isnt necessarily a bad thing, i dont know how to put it exactly... but the sum of all things human has given us limitations of interpretation.. if that makes any sense at all :shrug:




I lost 3 friends before I even graduated high school. That's enough fucking friends to lose for a lifetime. So I guess my point of reference differs greatly from yours.




friend od'd on oxycontin
another from cutting herself

i still think the principal must be held above all else :shrug:

im not right, im not wrong, your not right, your not wrong

just an interesting topic

must be my ultra libertarianism seeping through :crazy2:


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Re: auhhhhhh i'm tryin to od. [Re: anyone420]
    #8203346 - 03/27/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I will say it again, if you paint your world in absolutes, black and white, you will live a sad, dreary life indeed. That's just my opinion.


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