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water torch
    #8201449 - 03/27/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i usually dont post stuff like this, but if congress has asked him to come speak...

/me crosses fingers



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Re: water torch [Re: automan]
    #8201508 - 03/27/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is a little bit different but so similar.
I have been keeping an eye on this technologies for a couple years now and its way cool.


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Re: water torch [Re: automan]
    #8201529 - 03/27/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My brother was just telling me about this.
Him and his friends just built a hydrogen cell in the back room at his job.
His friend is trying to get his lawnmower to run on a hydrogen cell.
Next stop... our cars.

I hope this really does take off.


WOOOOOO!
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Re: water torch [Re: creekfreek]
    #8201534 - 03/27/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

he's gonna disappear and his technology will to:crankey:

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Re: water torch [Re: magicbastard]
    #8201543 - 03/27/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Both of these technologies should be put to good use.

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Re: water torch [Re: magicbastard]
    #8201552 - 03/27/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the oil giants will take care of him. keep your eyes on him. he and his technology will soon fade away.

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Re: water torch [Re: magicbastard]
    #8201572 - 03/27/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

EXXON: "gases emitted from the burning of the hho will endanger the lives of hundreds of three toed tree sloths, and we won't make our 4 billion dollar quota for the quarter, so WE will buy the patent and save it for a rainy day"

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Re: water torch [Re: norml840]
    #8201573 - 03/27/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Think what you want but the Air powered car is already used in Europe as taxis and such.

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Re: water torch [Re: magicbastard]
    #8201618 - 03/27/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

cool some non-fossil fuel design is already in use, the Japanese need to start cranking some cars out then sit back and watch the oil empire fall:gethigh:

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Re: water torch [Re: magicbastard]
    #8201691 - 03/27/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck that i like 4 $ gas. Fossil fuel FTW


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Re: water torch [Re: automan]
    #8201794 - 03/27/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't understand what's so special about the torch? He does mix water with gas so that the water vaporizes first and the torch itself doesn't become hot, while the burning gas is hot after all water is vaporized?

I don't believe his torch is running on pure water, same for his car. I need more than just a video to believe that we can get energy out of H2O.

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Re: water torch [Re: Annom]
    #8201809 - 03/27/08 03:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

HHO gas burns a lot more efficiently than gasoline.
It burns a lot hotter, too.


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Re: water torch [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #8201966 - 03/27/08 03:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Can you give me more information about burning water(H2O)?

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Re: water torch [Re: Annom]
    #8202051 - 03/27/08 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You burn the HHO gas, which is made with a hydrogen cell.


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Re: water torch [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #8202116 - 03/27/08 04:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, hydrogen (H2) will burn (react with oxygen). Far from burning water though. We can make hydrogen from water by electrolysis, but that takes at least as much energy as you could ever regain from burning the hydrogen. The other option is to convert/extract hydrogen from natural gas, but we don't have unlimited gas.

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Re: water torch [Re: Annom]
    #8202199 - 03/27/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That guy's torch is powered by HHO gas.
His car runs off of HHO gas as well. He doesn't have to make it a gasoline hybrid.


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Re: water torch [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #8202327 - 03/27/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I heard about this guy a couple years ago, and haven't seen anything come from it since. I am siding with Annom here, the video seems very vague about the technology.

I guess we will find out one day, but I doubt this guy is going anywhere. His name has been around for quite a while, if he was going to disappear, it would have happend at first release, when his selling point was cheaper, before more media.

Lets see what happens.


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Re: water torch [Re: automan]
    #8202408 - 03/27/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I didnt watch the video, but you cant bun H2O and get energy out of it. What is actually proposed here? What is the chemical equation if H2O is claimed to be burned?

What does that mean "the guys torch is powered off of HHO gas". H2O gas (also known as steam) doesnt combust or create energy. Is he running off of the heat? In that case, the H2O is not a fuel.

Agian, I dont watch videos on here. If somebody wants to explain it (specifically), that would be great. Otherwise, getting chemical energy out of H2O is BS.

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Re: water torch [Re: DieCommie]
    #8202452 - 03/27/08 05:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

YAHT (yet another hydrogen torch). All he is doing is electrolysis on water (with sodium hydroxide for ions), capturing the gases (two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen or HHO), and then burning them creating water. Energy goes into the system to break the water apart into the gases and the energy is later released when the hydrogen and oxygen recombine into water. There is no free energy and the efficiency of electrolysis is the kicker for the system. Not to mention how horrid of a greenhouse gas water vapor is; the pollution created when burning hydrogen.


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Re: water torch [Re: DieCommie]
    #8202458 - 03/27/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Wiki says:
A hydrogen vehicle is a vehicle that uses hydrogen as its on-board fuel for motive power. The term may refer to a personal transportation vehicle, such as an automobile, or any other vehicle that uses hydrogen in a similar fashion, such as an aircraft. The power plants of such vehicles convert the chemical energy of hydrogen to mechanical energy (torque) in one of two methods: combustion, or electrochemical conversion in a fuel-cell:

    * In combustion, the hydrogen is burned in engines in fundamentally the same method as traditional gasoline cars.
    * In fuel-cell conversion, the hydrogen is reacted with oxygen to produce water and electricity, the latter of which is used to power an electric traction motor.

The molecular hydrogen needed as an on-board fuel for hydrogen vehicles can be obtained through many thermochemical methods utilizing natural gas, coal (by a process known as coal gasification), liquefied petroleum gas, biomass (biomass gasification), by a process called thermolysis, or as a microbial waste product called biohydrogen or Biological hydrogen production. Hydrogen can also be produced from water by electrolysis. If the electricity used for the electrolysis is produced using renewable energy, the production of the hydrogen would (in principle) result in no net carbon dioxide emissions. On-board decomposition to produce hydrogen can occur when a catalyst is used.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle

The guy isn't burning H20, he is burning hydrogen. This hydrogen is made with water by electrolysis.

:shrug:
I believe it could work. It already has.


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