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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Life without Faith is impossible [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8197154 - 03/26/08 03:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If our 3d/4d view of reality has already been shattered by multiple dimensions/quantum mechanics, then wont our view of reality constantly keep being shattered by the randomness that quantum mechanics implies.

Im not a scientist so don't crucify me if ive taken this wrong.

It seems to me that nothing we perceive can be real, as whatever we perceive changes, so our view of reality will always be shattered, unless we stay with what probably never will be viewed by science, god, which is the ultimate reality, the only reality, this universe is an illusion as it changes, its impermanent. the ultimate reality, is ultimate, it does not change.

Science wants to have concept of ultimate reality, yet realisation of god requires non-concept, so far, concepts take you so far, then turn on themself, the mind gives up, only then god is realised. In my experience, concepts have helped but they only take you so far...

Concepts depend on discrimination/duality so the only concept that can take you to god is the discrimination between the real (unchanging) and the changing (the universe).

I really dislike this word god as no word can be god. Lets just say ultimate reality.

This ultimate reality people have felt and will always feel when they strip away the universe/changing from theyre perception, but can this be prooved through anything other than experience of being god?

Can experience be prooved?

Can an experience be scientifically measured?


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Re: Life without Faith is impossible [Re: Chronic7]
    #8197247 - 03/26/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It would take an act of faith to believe your post moonshoe :sun:

Faith is all we have, our "facts" just strengthen faith, but they can never prove it.

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Re: Life without Faith is impossible [Re: appleorange]
    #8197879 - 03/26/08 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

'It seems to me that nothing we perceive can be real...'

Okay.
So easy with your knowing.
Lest I pop out of your screen and give you a shot of Haldol myself.:uptosomething:


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Re: Life without Faith is impossible [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8198704 - 03/26/08 08:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Do any of you have the will to become a martyr for your ego?


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Re: Life without Faith is impossible [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8198831 - 03/26/08 09:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, life without faith is impossible but not the examples you used. The scientific/technological examples you used don't constitute as faith. Faith involves belief in something lacking logical proof or material evidence, both of which your examples exhibit.

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