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Parents choose prayer instead of medical care
    #8198268 - 03/26/08 09:24 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Hmmm, I wonder how this will play out? :strokebeard:



Wausau Daily Herald - March 26, 2008

Untreated diabetes kills girl

Parents choose prayer instead of medical care

TOWN OF WESTON -- The parents of an 11-year-old girl who died Sunday from an untreated form of diabetes prayed for the girl's health rather than seek medical intervention, police said.

According to police, Madeline Kara Neumann of the town of Weston died of diabetic ketoacidosis, a condition that develops when a person's body has too little insulin. She reportedly had not received medical treatment since she was 3 years old, said Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin, whose department is investigating.

The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, were unaware their daughter's recent illness was caused by diabetic ketoacidosis, Vergin said. Although the family has no ties to a specific church or religion, he said, they prayed for her and then attributed her death to them apparently not having enough faith.

"It is our understanding that instead of seeking medical help, they chose to pray over her and their faith would heal her," Vergin said.

Madeline Neumann's aunt from California contacted the Police Department out of concerns about the girl's health and asked police to check on her niece, Vergin said. The girl, who went by her middle name, Kara, was taken by ambulance from the family's home on Maplewood Drive to Saint Clare's Hospital in Weston, where she was pronounced dead.

Marathon County Medical Examiner John Larson said diabetic ketoacidosis prevents the body from absorbing nutrients. The girl appeared abnormally lean, and Larson said her body was wasting away.

Kathy Ziembo, an advanced practice registered nurse at Aspirus Wausau Hospital, said the condition is treatable and that the hospital treats several cases of it a week.

Symptoms include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, excessive thirst and fatigue.

"You know if there is something wrong," Ziembo said.

A shortage of insulin causes the body to break down fat, a process that produces toxic acids known as ketones. Treatment generally takes a few days in the hospital, as patients receive insulin intravenously to replace lost fluids.

Neumann's death will be investigated further, and the findings will be forwarded to the Marathon County district attorney's office to determine if any crime was committed, Vergin said.

Police have not had previous contact with her family, he said.

The girl's mother, Leilani Neumann, is co-owner of Monkey Mo Coffee To Go in Weston. A sign posted Tuesday on the shop's front door read, "Closed due to family emergency."

The Neumanns could not be reached for comment.




I wonder what the Neumans would say?

A. We royally fucked up!

B. It was God's will.

C. We didn't pray hard enough.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8198302 - 03/26/08 09:31 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

LOL


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8198313 - 03/26/08 09:33 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

fucking asshole parents.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8198528 - 03/26/08 10:12 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

So, they are also saying that doctors and medicine is a sin? Well, aren't they. What assholes. I say give them a dose of risin and watch them pray their way out of it. Not really, but ya know...

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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: ethnoguy]
    #8198592 - 03/26/08 10:21 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Well Mr. N would probably say, 'monkey mo coffee to go, what can I get started for you??'
Followed by something like, 'have a nice day.'
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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8198981 - 03/26/08 11:38 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Some of my family are JDubs, and a step cousin of mine died as a child because they refused a necessary blood transfusion. :shake:


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8199732 - 03/27/08 02:27 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

They probably believe that their subjective reality is the real factual reality. This sounds like a lack of trust in human science and humanity. Poor fellows, I wish whatever made them feel such distrust could be taken back.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199813 - 03/27/08 02:57 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Fucking tragic :nonono:


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: Cameron]
    #8199825 - 03/27/08 03:03 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Obviously they weren't praying hard enough. No question.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: Cameron]
    #8199826 - 03/27/08 03:03 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Rationalists: 5,883,492,621,011,721
Mystics: 0

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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199832 - 03/27/08 03:07 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Even most(!) mystical-type people are intelligent enough to realize when their daughter is in serious need of medical attention. I'd categorize these people more along the lines of uneducated and ignorant.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: Cameron]
    #8199840 - 03/27/08 03:11 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

These parents are not mystics. Probably just broke.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: Cameron]
    #8199841 - 03/27/08 03:13 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

You over-estimate people. Most Americans believe in astrology, ghosts and UFOs, and spend millions on homeopathic medicines not realizing it is merely water.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199858 - 03/27/08 03:23 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

That's a pretty wide scope of generalization, most being in the hundreds of millions. Did you speak to most Americans to confirm this? (I know, I claim that most mystic-types are aware of western medicine's obvious advantages without speaking to them, but the relative rarity of cases like this sort of speaks for itself) Is the supernatural market in America really that prominent?


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: Cameron]
    #8199871 - 03/27/08 03:30 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Superstition and ignorance are widespread - even on here after being presented step-by baby-fucking-step with facts and logic.

The need to believe in magic supersedes the rational in all too many.

I have done about 40 $20,000 challenges based upon what posters said they could repeatedly do. So far there have been 39 no shows and one taker who failed.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199873 - 03/27/08 03:33 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

I'm getting a visual of a black magic tantric dancing around an unimpressed, highly amused OC :lol:


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199877 - 03/27/08 03:35 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

What kind of stuff have people claimed to be able to do?

Those parents should be locked up. People excuse so much behaviour based on "religious freedom" then if you say anything against it you get called prejudice.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: Cameron]
    #8199882 - 03/27/08 03:40 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Don't laugh, but one member promised to visit me on the astral plane and scare the hell out of me and three members told me that they were going to  put a hex or voodoo or black magic curse on me.

I didn't notice anything.

TrueKimbo promised me a video of him performing telekinesis some 3-4 years ago. Am still 'waiting'...: :yawn:

The level of irrationality is what truly scares me. I don't want to leave the planet in the hands of numbskulls no matter how cosmically loving they are.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199885 - 03/27/08 03:44 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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Don't laugh




Too late :rofl2:


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199887 - 03/27/08 03:45 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

I could imagine someone getting mugged and threatening to get revenge from the astral plane.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8199889 - 03/27/08 03:46 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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The level of irrationality is what truly scares me. I don't want to leave the planet in the hands of numbskulls no matter how cosmically loving they are.




Who the hell made you Lord Xenu?


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: DimensionX]
    #8199890 - 03/27/08 03:47 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Do a search on 'Swami Challenge'. I was banned for life after Shroomism got embarrased and stiffed me on a bet concerning the arrival of Niburu.

Shroomism was (and still is) a mod and passed lies around because his ego was offended. He had scores of followers based upon his 'service-to-others' schtick and then I exposed his true nature. The ban was over no rule violations, just hurt feelings. Go figure.

I reincarnated as OC, but Swami is my 'real' online persona.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8199892 - 03/27/08 03:49 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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Who the hell made you Lord Xenu?





There have been untold chances to prove my logical assertions wrong - just once! Until that I day, I am, and remain, Lord Xenu.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8200148 - 03/27/08 08:10 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

> Mystics: 0

Darwin: 1


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8200384 - 03/27/08 10:33 AM (13 years, 29 days ago)

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The ban was over no rule violations, just hurt feelings. Go figure.





Your ban had nothing to do with Shroomism, to any real extent.


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Re: Parents choose prayer instead of medical care [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8200749 - 03/27/08 12:15 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

I wanna hear more about the ban...


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