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OfflineLearyfan
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General Question about the 60's peace culture....
    #819529 - 08/16/02 07:27 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Let me ask your opinion on this. I believe that the US government would stop ANY culture or religion that it didn't agree with if they could do it as easily as they did with the 60's peace culture.

The 60's peace culture used tangible chemicals to hold itself together. All the government had to do was 1) Outlaw these chemicals 2) Imprison the leaders of the movement(once number 1 had been accomplished) and 3) Demonize these chemicals in the media to change public opinion about them forever.

That's all it took to cripple this culture. Ever go to a Deadhead type show? That culture is lost, but it's not completely their fault. Don't you think that the American government would love it if every non-christian sect was bound together by tangible chemicals? Then they could just outlaw the chemicals because they're so "concerned with our health".





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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #820006 - 08/16/02 10:33 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

hmmmm...


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #820082 - 08/16/02 10:58 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Nice post learyfan.

I think the difference is most religious, non-christian sects don't offer people anything likely to change their lives so they offer no threat to the government. Using "tangible chemicals" many people were having experiences that led them to doubt what they were being told and question authority. Obviously this is going to worry the corporations. They've put endless billions into controlling the mass public mind since the early twenties. We are bred to be competitive, selfish, slaves to authority. Mushrooms and LSD are the most effective ways of destroying that brainwashing.

I think the main thing it proves is that psychedelics work. Religious sects tend not to work on so many people.


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Xlea321]
    #827096 - 08/19/02 02:37 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Alex.

That's right. They've got the peace movement incapacitated. They've got us living on reservations. I mean, if you want to go to a jam band show, you've got to buy tickets, which are really just reservations, right?

Anyone else agree or disagree? If not, lock this thread.



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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #827105 - 08/19/02 02:58 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

uhhhh.... the "movement" were people protesting blacks not getting hired in SF and the war. then some out of control people fucked up "the movement" and turned it into nothing respectable. and the 'movement' didn't die.....they just grew up, got jobs, and realized the rest of civilization wasn't going to put up with their antics.

i believe you are gravely mistaken about its roots and such. you must realize much of the pro-drug people are just as, if not worse than the gov't as far as having a bent view on things. orgs like NORML are legit because they make sense.

why are people so obsessed about the 60's? most of that crazy stuff was in berkely. the rest of the country was pretty much normal. it was a bad time for the country.

from an objective point of view. if you saw people from a different city starting to do some bizarre and sometimes violent things and they were doing the latest drug....you'd wonder about that drug...wouldn't you? although things are different now and i agree it shouldn't get illegal. but back then it kinda made sense. america just never wants to change it's ways. we seem to always be the last to do so.


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: kneegrow]
    #4372419 - 07/05/05 03:58 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I love sixties culture. I think it was the single most profound period in the history of the human race, where people threw off all their boundaries and made love to everything. The music alone, was wow.

On the other hand, I didn't live then. But the memory has influenced everything since, even if just subconsciously. The gurus of the East would have had no Weastern soil to sow in if it hadn't happened.


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: eve69]
    #4372798 - 07/05/05 06:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The government sends people off to jail for possession of plants and mushrooms for longer times than some murderers and rapists are put in jail....yet alcohol and tobacco are kept legal, while killing more people every year than all the illegal drugs, and making lots of money for the government. Prescription drugs kill thousands, cause addictions, etc. Yet it is a billion dollar industry supported by the government.

Psychedelic drugs were of course made illegal in order to target certain groups of people and put them in jail. But they are kept illegal, I think, because of the effects on the mind. Psychedelic drugs cause people to think "outside of the box", questioning the reality they have been dealt...questioning our society, and it's values. To the government, every time someone smokes weed, eats shrooms, or drops acid, they are losing control over the people. And the government thrives on control...they tell you what to think and do, and most people blindly follow. Any of you out there can agree that psychedelic drugs definitely cause you to question things, and think differently.

But that's why alcohol and tobacco are kept legal--the money, as well as the fact that both of these drugs keep the government's control...good old tobacco keeps you going and working hard for the man making shitty ass pay day in and day out...just another smoke break to get by. Then good old alcohol waiting at home at the end of a shitty day in order to forget my problems. These drugs cause people to feel content with their life and society. Psychedelics, on the other hand, make you question things and come to new realizations...they force you to look at your life and society and see how it really should be to make you happy and fulfilled. Instead of just forgetting about it in a drunken daze.

When people get drunk they get pissed off...when people are high they get peaceful...the government doesn't want a bunch of hippies running around making love and just living life. They want people to be hyped up for the great war over in Iraq "preserving freedom", lets get everyone pumped up to go kill!! The government loses money, control, and support if people sit around doing psychedelics and just become free loving spirits...it's as simple as that. Destroy the soul and turn you into a soldier.
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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: heavensgate]
    #4372986 - 07/05/05 07:16 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Psychedelics are cheap and long lasting and as you said, promote peace and looking through the charades that we live, to get to the universal ground, to see the larger patterns and pictures, to release the individual caught up in personal suffering to the bigger picture of universal similarity and love and compassion.

This also is the purpose of art. Psychedelics are like administered art for the growth of spirit and mind.

Stage left, Reagan and his horrid troll of a wife Nancy, "Just say No!" Haha. At that time crack became an epidemic which still keeps on killing. While young Bush was snorting the other consumer palliative - cocaine. Each as common as aspirin. The unknown conspiracy. Each time two people score a bag it's a conspiracy. Moreso when the President himself is a user. Ever moreso when that consumerism is trying to raise black funds for covert wars as in Contragate. The left hand knoweth not what the right hand does.

As punishment for selling hard drugs dealers need to go to psychedelic rehab school until they realize that sell and kill, and you sell and kill your own self. Morality is not abstaining from love and securing a solid iron wall around yourself and your family. Morality is based on faith in life and the wholeness of life and this is the opposite of what government exists for. The government has one ultimate purpose and that is to secure the locks on the doors of the country. Protection.

If Jesus himself walked down the street and his message was socialism then he would quickly be locked up. In the West consumerism is the key to amassing the money necessary for keeping the doors locked against a pissed off world. Pissed off within and without, and some smart alecks in the governent have determined that keeping people pissed consumers is the means to having a perpetual empire America.

Hail Caligula, Hail Bush. Those sorry fearful small minded leaders of cowards.

Trust and faith are difficult and take the courage to dive into the unknown, like psychedelics, like the Sixties, like love. So here's to the Sixties!


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #4373949 - 07/06/05 12:11 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Things that make you go MMMMMMM..
I was made in the 60's does that count?

It is a good thread and it does make you think a lil...

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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #4375178 - 07/06/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What destroyed the 1960s movement was a combination of things, but the precipitating factor was that the true hippies were diluted by hordes of  simpletons who weren't interested in any goals and ideals but to get high. But that annoying LSD kept sucking with bum trips and all...
Then there was Speed, and then Heroin, brought in by the Vietnam war. Bye bye sweet dream. Bye bye carefully cultivated public image. When heroin comes on the scene and the scene is filled with airheads, party's over.

In ODD we're discussing a "new" psychedelic molecule that appeared on the scene. Hooray? Let's not suck eachother's dicks just yet. Toxicity unknown, in fact it might interfere with DNA and that can mean cancer or birth defects. It is ultrapotent. It likely is twice as toxic as Mustard Gas on a mg/mg basis. It is as strong as LSD and the trip lasts 25-75 hours, possibly feeling like a psychedelic + meth.
A real killer.

And it turns out some people on other websites were preparing to... sell this chemical X-file on rave parties and rock concerts, on blotter, foisted as LSD. This suspected carcinogen, this substance that is probably dangerous if used like LSD, this substance who's effective dose is unknown but likely to be very low and which lacks concrete info all over the web, this chamical which on overdose will send you on an excruciatingly intense exhausting 75 hour trip (a few of us are making it a project and research our asses off) gets thrown onto a music concert, sold as LSD. And one salesperson got cut off from his sources because he sold it laid on blotter.

Even if it wont be toxic... Can you imagine to seek out medical help after tripping balls for two days and two nights and still going strong? Or people left bedazzled by splendor collected by the police, loitering after the rave is over? Pretty likely isnt it?

So you see, airheads are among us from the Summer of Love to the 2005 Summer Of Bromo-DragonFLY (thanks Psiloman for coining that term)

Indeed Learyfan: Ban the drug, incarcerate the ringleaders and wrap it up with propaganda. Some 2005 airheads are already making sure that the news can soon report about "the new chemical LSD drug that leaves people sick and off their rocker"  :thumbdown::mad:

Our enemies are the War On Drugs and the Airheads, and the dangerous misinformation that bounces between them

But a couple of things have changed.

Good luck busting our leaders.
We have no leaders. The Internet was created as ARPA to withstand World War Three by the power of decentralization. And decentralized we are, we are millions strong and all over a worldwide web. Even if they nuked the web they cannot nuke the information, that sits in millons of CD-ROMs, Floppys, stacks of hardcopy and in our heads.
The hippies of old were dependent on a hierarchy: we are fully decentralized. Shut down the Shroomery, or Erowid, and there will be a dozen more on principle alone.

Good luck cutting off our psychedelic supply.
The cat is out of the bag. Tens of thousands are growing mushrooms, synthesizing Psilocybin from:
Grain + Spores ---> 4-HO-DMT + Spores
And Cacti!
Potting soil + Cutting ---> Mescaline + Cuttings
And there are many more, each as valuable as the LSD the hippies depended on, all able to grow in your house or garden and all of them so widespread already that it cannot be repressed any longer.

Ethnobotanicals have decentralized psychedelic drug supply

Mushrooms are so easy to grow, and grow on staple foods and dead veggie matter, that there never will be a true Psilocybin drought.
By 2010 the substrate that is Planet Earth is fully colonized and will fruit. :heart: :heart: :heart:

As for bad propaganda: Nothing is worse than the current War on Drugs. Every sane person who gets the basic facts on the WoD, even if they are against drugs, has to admit a great wrong is being committed by the government and that going tougher on drugs is a dead end.

And for all to see the US Gov't will be forced by the people to munch down the contammed cake of their War on Drugs, festering as it is. The only fruits the War on Drugs can bear are a contempt of the population against their government. If the politicians want their fix of power then they'd better get real on drugs instead of treating the general public like mentally deficient cattle, which they're doing now.

You can't take our leaders away - we have none to arrest
You can't take our drugs away - we grow them ourselves, for ourselves
You can't feed the people more propaganda - they are waking up to our truths


Thats a whole lot better than the 1960s situation.


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Asante]
    #4375262 - 07/06/05 12:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Well,you nailed it there Wiccan! i will only supplement the two bold (quite literally ) staments you made

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Our enemies are the War On Drugs and the Airheads, and the dangerous misinformation that bounces between them




Amen to that Brother! If you try to correct the airheads,or try to inject healthy mentality usually you get blamed as an "Elitist".Well,you know what,as many people say "You know what,im tired of psychedelic theories and elitisms i wanna have mindless fun" i say that im tired of mindless fun ,before you "let the children boogie" let them get informed,let them straighten out their mentality,their priorities,their knowledge and their sources which the ultimate goal is to be self sustainable. I consider "arguments and counterarguments" as antigens and antibodies.To the antigen of airheadedness a more healthy approach,a mor knowledgable approach was produced as an antibody.At the same time the more "smart" of the airheads wanted to defend their airheadness and procured the antibody to the more knowledgable approach which is known today as "You are an Elitist". Heh...I developed allergy to that antibody and it has become an antigen to which antibodies were formed strenghtening the original idea of the wiser approach of psychoactives.

They arive there after having gulped down a total of 2 grams 2C-I countless other chems,in combination with god-knows-what-they-contain-XTC pills tons of weed ,to actually find out that thye might have developed health problems from thyroid to psychological ones ,and that with their behavior they have HELPED (reread: YES,THEY HAVE HELPED) DEA by donating their "case" as a statistic number to the war on drugs.Also on the road they have demonstrated that " drugs are bad mmmmkay?" to family members,doctors ,friends watching them going loco,or worse damaging their health,having to be carried to ICU and hooked up on monitors. The best example is set by your stance of life.

Now people,you wouldnt like to fit that profile ,would you?

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Ethnobotanicals have decentralized psychedelic drug supply




That has to continue in faster pace. For the time being why not support ETHICAL VENDORS,those who doesnt sell readymade cactus chips,those that doesnt sell silly kratom and salvia posters with motos like "Its better than getting stoned"!Shroomery has actually accepted to have as a sponsor a company like that! What a disgrace! Is Psychedelia,Dr Shulign's work,Jonathan Ott's work,Stanislav's work,Richard Evan Schultes work costing only "30 silver pieces"? As a community we have the power to ENFORCE a more ethical trade...Why? Because the fuel any vendor runs on is MONEY.And WE have it.

How about startin to support the SEED project? http://www.entheomation.com/ .Everyone loves entheomation/angelyakya and his informative in the Ethnobotanical garden but i havent seen anyone helping this guy out!Where is the spirit guys? In the "Let your voice be heard? its only my voice right now.Did the cat ate your tongue (or fingers)? Where are the fiery rhetorics of some of our members? Where are the dreams of more ethical vendors and decentralisation?

Do i have to use "US senator/president" style propaganda to get people interested?It works in the masses,but using it is unethical!

Please ,next time you stumble accross such a post,such an "elitist" take five minutes to think of his stance and if he deserves to be discarded as "too strict"

Mod edit: You mean well, but your psychedelic Nazi metaphor might not set will with some people, sensitive issue you know. Good post overall, thank you.


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Psiloman]
    #4375340 - 07/06/05 12:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Also on the road they have demonstrated that " drugs are bad mmmmkay?" to family members,doctors ,friends watching them going loco,or worse damaging their health,having to be carried to ICU and hooked up on monitors. The best example is set by your stance of life.
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Now people,you wouldnt like to fit that profile ,would you?






Gee thanks.. I think?  :evil:




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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Asante]
    #4375357 - 07/06/05 12:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Gee thanks.. I think?




Eh? What i mean to say is that the best "lets have a reasonable healthy attidute towards psychoactives/psychedelics is given by the way one follows this path" and how he accepts consequences and abstaining from silly mistakes.If mistakes happen not blaming the drugs as sole culprits etc etc .Actions speak louder than words.

Thats what i meant.The "I think?" what dose it mean?


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Re: General Question about the 60's peace culture.... [Re: Psiloman]
    #4375364 - 07/06/05 12:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

LOL since your post answered mine, and I've been on the cardiac monitor of the ICU myself it looked like you were blaming me for emergency scheduling & phucking up the good name of Psychedelics. I know you didnt intend that!  :evil:


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How about startin to support the SEED project? http://www.entheomation.com/ .Everyone loves entheomation/angelyakya and his informative in the Ethnobotanical garden but i havent seen anyone helping this guy out!




I didnt know it existed, thanks! BTW, how about adding that link to Entheomation to your signature? Mine is loaded to the brim or I'd take it myself!


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    #4375439 - 07/06/05 01:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL since your post answered mine, and I've been on the cardiac monitor of the ICU myself it looked like you were blaming me for emergency scheduling & phucking up the good name of Psychedelics. I know you didnt intend that!




No it wasnt aimed at you!From my understanging you had an undiagnosed condition (or you were prone to it) and weed or whatever else triggered the attacks.Its quite different than gulping down an eyeballed rc on top of extacy pills and ending up in hospital isnt it? The first is a heart/circulatory defect you couldnt do anything about,the second is plain stupidity. Certainly i cant imagine you eyeballing and snorting 2-c-t-7 ,many people though did and still do! If those people end in ICU ,then it wouldnt be because of an already existing condition (90% of the time) but either of OD or other purely substance related hazard.Is it more clear now?

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