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Letting jars cool by air conditioner?
    #818623 - 08/15/02 06:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I just let my jars cool down from boiling them (PF TEK) by the air conditioner in my room, they have 2 foil tops over them, and I was wondering if i just contaimed my jars? I did this to 6 jars..

I let themcool for about 20 minutes


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #818631 - 08/15/02 06:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You probably won't have any problems. I think boiling them (instead of PC'ing them) is a greater risk..


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #818657 - 08/15/02 06:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think you doubled your risk.
1) Boiling instead of PC'ing and
2) Blowing filthy air on 'em as they sucked it in while cooling.

I predict gray mold city.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: TM]
    #818673 - 08/15/02 07:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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2) Blowing filthy air on 'em as they sucked it in while cooling.


Every batch I pull out of the PC has been cooled in the fridge and I have yet to suffer from contaminants at that stage.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #818674 - 08/15/02 07:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Ill be using a pressure cooker next time, dont have the money yet


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #818687 - 08/15/02 07:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You are extremely lucky then because most refrigerators are loaded with contams, but there's no dirtier place in the house than the air conditioner.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: TM]
    #818691 - 08/15/02 07:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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You are extremely lucky then because most refrigerators are loaded with contams, but there's no dirtier place in the house than the air conditioner.


Luck has nothing to do with it.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #818728 - 08/15/02 07:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

should i re-boil the jars?


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #818755 - 08/15/02 07:30 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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should i re-boil the jars?


There is a slight chance that your jars were contaminated by sucking in tainted air from the AC if the foil was loose and your holes were not taped. Personally, I would be more concerned about the boiling in the first place -- this is something I have never done. From day one I have used a PC and it has proven a worthy ally.

I have read countless posts where people report success with BRF and the PF Tek's approach to steaming/boiling jars. If it will make you feel better, boil them again using those instructions. Here's an excerpt from the PF Tek:
    Heat the pot of water to a boil. Put the jars into the pot with the lid bands loose so that the steam can penetrate the jars quickly. The jars can sit in water but make sure boiling water can't slosh into the jars. Turn the heat down and GENTLY steam the jars at the lowest possible boil for an hour in a TIGHTLY covered pot (gas stoves are the easiest to control). A good tight fitting pot lid is essential for successful steaming.
The full TEK is located here.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #818778 - 08/15/02 07:43 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for all the help guys. luckily I didnt use lids, just two closely covered foil "lids". I havent made any holes yet

again, thanks for the help


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #818820 - 08/15/02 07:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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luckily I didnt use lids, just two closely covered foil "lids".


In that case, I'd say you almost definately contaminated them. I wouldn't chance wasting my spores on those jars without re-boiling.

This time, leave them in the pot to cool.

Better safe than sorry, dont you think?


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: TM]
    #818839 - 08/15/02 08:04 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I have never used a pressure cooker and I have had no contams yet. I usually add a little more water than I need in the jars and boil them longer than an hour, usually about an hour and half, then I let them cool in the box they came in when I bought the jars. Seems to me that the longer it takes them to cool, then more bacteria will be killed off from the heat, if it isn't already toast from boiling.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: TM]
    #818842 - 08/15/02 08:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

that's right dude. while they are cooling, they are sucking in air and foil isn't keeping that dirty a/c air from being sucked into the jars.......


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: JTShroom]
    #818853 - 08/15/02 08:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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the longer it takes them to cool, then more bacteria will be killed off from the heat


One reason to leave them in the pot, but another is that the pot is as sterile as the jars and more sterile than the box the jars came in.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: TM]
    #818879 - 08/15/02 08:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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One reason to leave them in the pot, but another is that the pot is as sterile as the jars and more sterile than the box the jars came in.


He must not have any issues with leaving them in the box the jars came in because he says there have been no problems with contamination to date.


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #818960 - 08/16/02 12:04 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Damn! from all the mixed responses , I figured i would go ahead and innoculate them. grrr.

Oh well, I only did that to 6 out of 10 jars, so hopfully my other 4 will survive


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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #818966 - 08/16/02 12:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn! from all the mixed responses , I figured i would go ahead and innoculate them. grrr.

Oh well, I only did that to 6 out of 10 jars, so hopfully my other 4 will survive


I think if you want to be sure, go ahead and boil them again. Nonetheless, do what you need to do. One of the great thing about making mistakes is that it provides one with opportunities to learn.

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Re: Letting jars cool by air conditioner? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #821673 - 08/16/02 06:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Lids however are a good idea and a cheap solution to unwanted germs, also, if indeed you are cooling by the air conditioner, watch out for cracking the jars from too quick of a drop in temp, also any time you have moving air, there is the potential for contaminiation, so if you insist on cooling them via the A/C, make sure to have a HEPA filter in front of the vent, so the air will pass through the filter first before hitting your jars. bluhoney


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