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Shroober's Outdoor Beds
    #8183787 - 03/23/08 04:08 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

After learning a few lessons from the JumboTub experiment I've decided to move onto my next project. Since spring is starting up and summer showers and humidity are just around the corner I've decided to work on outdoor cultivation.

This project will involve two outdoor garden beds which will be used to cultivate both mushrooms and vegetables. I may use one bed for mushrooms and the other bed for veggies, depending on the substrate I go with.

The beds are 8x4 feet and 12 inches deep. At some point I will likely implement some type of watering system and possibly a greenhouse shaped cover to sustain higher levels of humidity year round.

I've been composting for a while so I will eventually be using my compost as the primary substrate ingredient. Until then I'm not exactly sure what the substrate mix will be. I was hoping someone could give me a suggestion.

I've considered using large amounts of BlackKow with straw and vermiculite. I've also thought about inoculating some logs and burying them under garden soil to grow shitake and reishi. I've also considered using wood chips and sawdust to grow some of the more wood loving species. Any suggestions on this are welcome.



*The project is not yet complete, I will try to keep the thread updated the best I can.

















*Update: 3/24/08

I've started to mix bedding material to create a soil substrate that can support the cultivation of both mushrooms and vegetables. I'm totally inexperienced when it comes to vegetable gardening so I'm kind of flying blind here.

The substrate I will be using initially will be a mixture of Black Kow, Garden Soil, Potting Soil, Vermiculite, Peat Moss, and possibly coir. From what I've read a mixture of these ingredients can produce a soil substrate that can support certain strains of mushrooms and vegetables at the same time.

But what I may end up doing is making one bed for mushrooms and one bed for veggies. Any input on this is appreciated.

At a later time i will likely dedicate part of the bed to wood lovers but for simplicity sake I'm just sticking to rich soil and compost for now. Anyone have any other ideas for this soil substrate?

Also added a watering hose which will lay in the lower-mid area of the bed to keep the entire bed properly hydrated.

Anyways, here are the pics.















Edited by shroober (03/24/08 04:42 PM)

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: shroober] * 1
    #8183796 - 03/23/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Hell yeah, taking it outside!

I've always wanted to see a MASSIVE cubensis casing done in an outdoor bed. I've seen an outdoor azure bed somewhere on here before that completely blew my mind, wish i could find the pic. This thing was like 20 ft. long, the whole thing was pinning/fruiting at the same time with a wonderful pinset, crazy.

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: large_dose]
    #8183817 - 03/23/08 04:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I have nothing to add, but I think this is a really
interesting project and I want to see where it goes.

Good luck sir.


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: shroober]
    #8183841 - 03/23/08 04:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

large amounts of BlackKow with straw and vermiculite.
:thumbup: thats the way to go.
I wish I had a yard...I think I've read to bury the shittake half way so they're half exposed. anyone correct me if I'm wrong. Good luck with the grow and post lots of pictures for the rest of us apartment dwellers.

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: shroober]
    #8183890 - 03/23/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not big on Black Kow. I've heard of some successful grows with it, but it's inferior to H-poo. Black Kow varies from region to region, so there's no telling what you'll get. The bags I used truly smelled like sewage, even after a month of leeching. Yields were crappy. Results may vary, but there's more than one reason I'll never use that stuff again.

OTOH, h-poo is most likely free at your closest stables. The only disagreeable smell is ammonia, which is easily leeched out, and yields are consistently good.

I've had good results growing shiitake from a wood chip/sawdust substrate. I acquired a large amount of oak sawdust by seeking out a small hardwood board mill. Probably got 20 trash bags full. I acquired the wood chips by simply stopping when I saw an oak trimming job, and asking for the small stuff, which they're usually glad to part with... it's all being hauled away anyway. Run this through a wood chipper and create huge piles of oak chips. Now, shiitake or other wood lovers can be quickly cultivated like a dung lovers bulk grow.


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: Rahz]
    #8184278 - 03/23/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Oh good lord, i want to see pics of these once fruiting!


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: Phobe]
    #8184306 - 03/23/08 06:57 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

LOL we all wanna see these babies fruiting, talk about a harvest and a half. Beautiful.


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: Bstsneverr]
    #8184535 - 03/23/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

fill that whole thing with spawn and put a caseing layer on it then put a black trashbag over it to simulate incubation and keep it hot. after its good to fruit you might want to find some sort of clear plastic you can put over it to make it like a chamber

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: wocka]
    #8184646 - 03/23/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i love this guy

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: norml840]
    #8184691 - 03/23/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

That's a lot of eggs for just a couple baskets.

Can't wait to see what happens

Hope it goes well

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds *DELETED* [Re: weretheshit]
    #8184744 - 03/23/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: dumbum39]
    #8187042 - 03/24/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

for shitakes i recommend stacking the logs like a log cabin. you want to keep them off the ground to create a barrier for insects. if you are in an area with heavy rainfall you might even want to lean them against your fence so they drain easier. i grow three different strains to have a year -round harvest. remember, shitakes take a long time to fruit so be patient.

i recommend you try some mycorhizal cultures to aid your garden. check out paul stamets book "mycelium running" for more info on mycorhizals.

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: shroober]
    #8188086 - 03/24/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

*Update: 3/24/08

I've started to mix bedding material to create a soil substrate that can support the cultivation of both mushrooms and vegetables. I'm totally inexperienced when it comes to vegetable gardening so I'm kind of flying blind here.

The substrate I will be using initially will be a mixture of Black Kow, Garden Soil, Potting Soil, Vermiculite, Peat Moss, and possibly coir. From what I've read a mixture of these ingredients can produce a soil substrate that can support certain strains of mushrooms and vegetables at the same time.

But what I may end up doing is making one bed for mushrooms and one bed for veggies. Any input on this is appreciated.

At a later time i will likely dedicate part of the bed to wood lovers but for simplicity sake I'm just sticking to rich soil and compost for now. Anyone have any other ideas for this soil substrate?

Also added a watering hose which will lay in the lower-mid area of the bed to keep the entire bed properly hydrated.

Anyways, here are the pics.















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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: shroober]
    #8190877 - 03/25/08 09:54 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I've had some experience with gardening veggies and I know (you probably do too) the veggies need much less moisture than the mushrooms, also some organic veggie fertilizer would be good, but the soil mixture you have probably has enough nutrients in it for the first few months.

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: IdoItToUNWIND]
    #8190897 - 03/25/08 10:00 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I Personally would plant them in separate beds. P. Cubensis isn't specifically known as a mycorrhizal fungi so would not benefit from the presents of plants as far as I know. And while it is possible to cultivate them in the same bed, I believe they would just compete for resources and nutrients. Plus if you separate the beds, you can drape a shade cloth over the fungi bed to limit the light and evaporation of moisture because it looks like the spot you built those beds may be a bit bright for our fungi friends.

This is looking great I can't wait to see the results!


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #8191004 - 03/25/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. I would keep them seperate.

Also, look to lay a layer of wet straw on the bottom of your fungus bed to help with drainage. Be careful not to flood them with the waterhose. Look into a waterhose timer, and it'll save you a lot of grief.


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: TheFish]
    #8191057 - 03/25/08 10:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

When do you plan to start growing?

P.s Vegetables and mushrooms on the same substrate would be very interesting

I hope you go with wood lovers for this one; just can't get enough of the shittakes!


My father and I built a 4 x 6Ft stacks of oak logs, probably about 1.5Ft in diameter. (he's a furniature maker who uses local woods so has access to a large amount.) they've been fruiting for about a year and a half now, we get large flushes and now have more dried mushrooms than we can shake a stick at.

It still isn't commercially viable to sell these fresh though; the price simply isn't competitive enough. bloody hydroponics sawdust based artificial climate conglomerates.

Let me tell you though, the flavour you get from real oak grown, weather-seasoned REAL shittakes is out of this world. It permiates through you and eminates from your stomach for another 2 - 4 hours afterwards.

Gorgeous.

Best of luck!

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: shroober]
    #8191058 - 03/25/08 10:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I like this = 'toggle, toggle, toggle'

Quote:

Also added a watering hose which will lay in the lower-mid area of the bed to keep the entire bed properly hydrated.





:wink:



Keep on keep'n on:thumbup:

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: doc34]
    #8191407 - 03/25/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Looks interesting. Considering your track record I'm going to continue watching this thread.

Oh and I doubt I have to tell you to avoid cedar chips but It couldn't hurt.


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: shroober]
    #8192071 - 03/25/08 03:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Like a few other people said I'd keep them in separate beds. Most plants and vegetables do better when the soil is allowed to dry out more completely than the mushrooms would like.

It'll also be helpful that you can feed the plants if your mix runs out of nutrients, without danger of damaging the mushrooms.


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: Jadian]
    #8226822 - 04/01/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

:goodluck:

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: just me]
    #8237486 - 04/04/08 09:12 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

where's the updates?


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    #10621452 - 07/04/09 03:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: z_x_x_z]
    #10621493 - 07/04/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

lol shroober is kinda inactive I dono why. but check it out he hasn't made a post since February.


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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10621499 - 07/04/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroober's Outdoor Beds [Re: fungiamongi2]
    #10621560 - 07/04/09 03:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

you mean like this?


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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