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Coleus blumei Bioassy
    #8180264 - 03/22/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

I heard that Coleus was quite a fun plant to try, so i went to my local nursery and bought 9 plants for $9 - pretty fuckin cheap. I chopped up the leaves to help them dry quicker (to remove the potent plant smell). I left it in the sun for a few hours and made a tea out of it later on, the dry leaves were about 30grams.

The tea smelt like normal tea, looked like normal tea but tasted like schiese. It was very very bitter, reminiscent of drinking cactus juice. After drinking the tea i started the revolting task of eating the soggy leaves. Fucking gross.

After a few minutes all reminders of taking the tea were gone, no nausea or bad after taste.

Within about 15-20 minutes i noticed a few subtle changes like becoming extremely unsettled (i felt the need to stretch my whole body in weird ways). Then i noticed the room looked alot more colorful (had a orangey hue with a deepened saturation of colors). I had a brief 5 minutes of giddiness, similar to snorting valium - you just have a wicked grin and laugh at nothing.

I needed to go for a piss so i went onto the deck a pissed over the rail, i thought that might amuse me some but it didnt. I went back inside and my 3D perception was warped, it felt like i was in a Imax cinema - and this was very very amusing. I sat down and tried to follow what was happening on TV but i was pretty 'distant'. I wasnt thinking about other things, i just wasnt thinking. I wondered if it was a placebo after a while so i tried to snap out, but i couldnt alter fuck all of what was happening so i sat back and appreciated the colors on the TV and the sense of relaxation.

About 4 hours after i took it, it felt like the buzz was going away - so i fucked off to bed to have a heap of crazy fucking dreams, like a dream about camping and being attacked by 'bigfoot' wtf. They made absolutely no sense, they were unusually highly colorful and i can remember about 5-6 of them in fairly good detail, which i have never had happen before.

In summary, it was very different. It had similar over-all qualities to a very mild mushy trip. It was fun, i will definately do it again - but i might try an extraction.

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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: scruffymafia]
    #8180381 - 03/22/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

Cool, i've been waiting for a good bioassy on coleus. I'm not sure how well an extraction may work due to the notoriety of the active content being unstable. I would recommend putting time into it and use diluted reagents adding small amounts at a time(bubbling and fizzing may destroy it)

From what i've read even plucking from the plant and letting them dry may also degrade them. Extract from fresh picked leaves, defat if you have to. Please post your results if you follow this through.

I'm interested to find out what it is that keeps the drug stable, and maybe in our own saliva, from what i gather a great way to take it is to leave a wad in your mouth like chewing tobacco and absorb it through the saliva glands. Maybe some enzyme or fat/salt is the stabiliser.

I'm thinking or trying some soon and growing some next spring. This is an interesting plant, and amongst the other species of it are also some possible helpful chemicals, i can't remember which one, but one coleus species can help fat metabolism in our bodies. Plus, they cool to look at while in a state... :rastana:


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
    #8180391 - 03/22/08 04:36 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

alcohol extraaction and gelcap on fresh leaves is prolly the best way to go for coleus


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8180781 - 03/22/08 06:43 PM (16 years, 2 hours ago)

Nice report. :thumbup:


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8180875 - 03/22/08 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 hours ago)

Hmm i will have to investigate that more. I think it would be very fun in high doses, it was a very mild high - im still not completely sure i was truly having a trip or it was placebo. Im fairly confident it did work in some way though.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8181408 - 03/22/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 10 minutes ago)

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alcohol extraaction and gelcap on fresh leaves is prolly the best way to go for coleus




from all i've read on this i don't think alcohol works. Cannot find a convincing, let alone successful, report anywhere of this. the general information i find on it states its either inactive or if there is an alkaloid it is too unstable out of the plant. (which would suggest an important stabilizer contained in the plant)

Just eat it or make a tea (use like 40 - 70 leaves if you can... an alcohol extraction would be a waste of time IMO)

OP: Yeah, it seems alot of people who have tried this are also unsure how much of their experience was placebo. Though to attribute a mild shroom-like experience to it kinda makes me think it may be more than placebo.

I will experiment one day with this plant


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
    #8181446 - 03/22/08 09:20 PM (16 years, 4 minutes ago)

Hmm,im no chemist, but just a thought, maybe you could investigate using a weaker base like Sodium BiCarbonate. then extract with naptha. May or may not work, could end up unpure, who knows heh...


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
    #8181451 - 03/22/08 09:21 PM (16 years, 4 minutes ago)

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Zinglons Acolyte said:
alcohol extraaction and gelcap on fresh leaves is prolly the best way to go for coleus




from all i've read on this i don't think alcohol works. Cannot find a convincing, let alone successful, report anywhere of this. the general information i find on it states its either inactive or if there is an alkaloid it is too unstable out of the plant. (which would suggest an important stabilizer contained in the plant)

Just eat it or make a tea (use like 40 - 70 leaves if you can... an alcohol extraction would be a waste of time IMO)

OP: Yeah, it seems alot of people who have tried this are also unsure how much of their experience was placebo. Though to attribute a mild shroom-like experience to it kinda makes me think it may be more than placebo.

I will experiment one day with this plant



on the contrary

a cold alcohol extraction would preserve the alkaloid much better than brewing tea, which would generally involve drying the leaves (reported to make it inactive or much lkess so) and steeping them in hot water (which can damage fragile alkaloids and or terpines)

cold alcohol extraction is ground, soaked in cold alcohol, evaporated then consumed, with minimal conditions which could damage any actives

i have tryed coleus myself buy chewing about 12 fresh leaves
i kept them in my mouth for about 10 minutes and started feeling mildly dissociated, i spit it out and it faded over 4 minutes

im not at all sure if it was placebo or whatever, but there are too many completely different highs associated with coleus for it to be all the plant tho...


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8181485 - 03/22/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hmm maybe it can work, i do understand tea would certainly degrade if it is infact unstable (see my first post in this thread). But i have a feeling alcohol extraction may not work, because i would have expected conclusive results from people who have tried this. But its still worth investigating i guess.

12 leaves from what i gather is not enough. Most convincing trip reports i see have people chewing the wad of 20+ leaves for about an hour or so (yuck!) and even then they're unsure if they tripped.

as for associated highs, yeah it seems there are a few differing opinions on coleus (psyc vs diss), but you get that with quite a few drugs. Fresh salvia for me has only felt similar to small amounts of nitrous oxide, where as good 10x smoked kicks my arse in a very hallucinogenic way.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
    #8181501 - 03/22/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well im quite sensitive to any substance, 15 mg of adderall makes me tweak out bad lol


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8181575 - 03/22/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think the spacial distortion and disassociation were definitely the Coleus. The others i am not too sure on. I will try an alcohol extraction with some leaves when they get bigger. I am very keen to crack open this drug. It had much potential.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: scruffymafia]
    #8181636 - 03/22/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

try it with fresh plant next time, soak the whole plant in lightly to just under boiling water.

question, did the tea taste like complete shit?

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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: CptnGarden]
    #8181660 - 03/22/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It was foul, at first i thought that 'this is a taste that you could acquire to'. But after a few more sips i changed my mind completely. It was bitter and made me nearly gag sometimes. The tea was a bright red color with a brown tinge. Whys that?


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: scruffymafia]
    #8182831 - 03/23/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

After all of this complicated extraction and viability talk my question is, What the hell is the active compound?


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: coleus]
    #8182850 - 03/23/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Active compound is not known. If there is one, maybe a terpene. They are found in the mint family, thujone and salvinorin being active examples.

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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: scruffymafia]
    #8182989 - 03/23/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Scruffy I think your report is bullshit for one reason and that reason is because you experienced something known as "placebo" as Coleus doesn't do what you just said it does. It does nothing at all. That's just my opinion though.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Aopocetx]
    #8183107 - 03/23/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Woah man chill. There have been many reports of Colues activity. The Mazatec hold C. blumei and C. pumilus sacred alongside Salvia. Millions of Coleus are sold all over the world, and differences in activity could be attributed to anything. I honestly think we don't know enough to say that Coleus isn't activy in any way.

A note on Coleus. The genus was split, some (including C. blumei) being moved into Solenostemon, now S. scutellaroides. I can't find C. pumilus.

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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Taharka]
    #8183450 - 03/23/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Woah man chill. There have been many reports of Colues activity. The Mazatec hold C. blumei and C. pumilus sacred alongside Salvia. Millions of Coleus are sold all over the world, and differences in activity could be attributed to anything. I honestly think we don't know enough to say that Coleus isn't activy in any way.

A note on Coleus. The genus was split, some (including C. blumei) being moved into Solenostemon, now S. scutellaroides. I can't find C. pumilus.



ya, there is history among the indians that coleus was sometimes used when salvia was unavailible


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8183473 - 03/23/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah ive never had any luck psychoactively, but I still grow them because they look cool.

On a side note, ive noticed theyre pretty similar to salvia in appearance. Think theyre related...


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    #8183475 - 03/23/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah ive never had any luck psychoactively, but I still grow them because they look cool.

On a side note, ive noticed theyre pretty similar to salvia in appearance. Think theyre related...



they are, theyre both in the mint family


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    #8183479 - 03/23/08 02:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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ya, there is history among the indians that coleus was sometimes used when salvia was unavailible




First of all, can you cite your reference? I know it was considered the "male" part of that pair but how does that imply psychoactivity?

Second, why is there not one piece of literature that explains the type of actives contained in coleus? Hell, the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants tested it on a group of people and 33% said they felt a mild marijuana-like high and the other 67% said they felt nothing. What does that say about placebo?


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    #8183524 - 03/23/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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ya, there is history among the indians that coleus was sometimes used when salvia was unavailible




First of all, can you cite your reference? I know it was considered the "male" part of that pair but how does that imply psychoactivity?

Second, why is there not one piece of literature that explains the type of actives contained in coleus? Hell, the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants tested it on a group of people and 33% said they felt a mild marijuana-like high and the other 67% said they felt nothing. What does that say about placebo?



my reference is from growing the hallucinogens on erowid

and tere just hasnt been any research, thats not very uncommon, look at calea zacatechichi for example, theres no infor mation other than "a terpine has been isolated" and every plant has some sort of terpines, just a few are active tho


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Aopocetx]
    #8183594 - 03/23/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Scruffy I think your report is bullshit for one reason and that reason is because you experienced something known as "placebo" as Coleus doesn't do what you just said it does. It does nothing at all. That's just my opinion though.




How can you explain the trippy dreams that were unusally vivid and memorable?

What about the effects that were impossible to shake, even when i tried to?

The first E i ever took was fake (it was a fat red dove made outa tryptamine and BZP aparently). I knew after 1hr that fuck all was happening and that what little that was happening definaely wasnt E.

I am not easily fooled into the placebo affect, this drug is definately active. Just not very active.

If i was going to have a placebo affect you would think my mind would base it off another similar drug that i have experienced.. Like salvia or weed. Not shrooms..

It was a pleasant experience.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Aopocetx]
    #8183655 - 03/23/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just to let you know, there is never any true evidence of psychoactivity.

Essentially, whether its LSD or coleus, you are relying on an entirely subjective report of the effects of this drug. Its unobservable, because to understand whether a chemical or compound has effect, if its "truly" psychedelic, one must somehow observe the dynamic of the mind and body. This is impossible. Perhaps this is just nitpicking, but this is exactly what is exploited to create backwards drug policies.


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    #8183660 - 03/23/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Just to let you know, there is never any true evidence of psychoactivity.

Essentially, whether its LSD or coleus, you are relying on an entirely subjective report of the effects of this drug. Its unobservable, because to understand whether a chemical or compound has effect, if its "truly" psychedelic, one must somehow observe the dynamic of the mind and body. This is impossible. Perhaps this is just nitpicking, but this is exactly what is exploited to create backwards drug policies.



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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8183669 - 03/23/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We could always feed it to animals with implanted electrodes. There is one paper in which the "psychoactivity" of Calea was confirmed in this way. Smoking or drinking Calea doesn't do anything very apparent either.

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    #8184125 - 03/23/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What if it was all placebo, buddy? You sound very optimistic your optimistic mindset could have influenced you.
I´m sorry for you guys but Coleus is only a beautiful garden plant, no more than that.


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    #8184999 - 03/23/08 09:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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What if it was all placebo, buddy? You sound very optimistic your optimistic mindset could have influenced you.
I´m sorry for you guys but Coleus is only a beautiful garden plant, no more than that.


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lol this argument could go on and on and on... the point is that niether of us got the effects we were expecting

we cant be sure whether or not it really is active without scientific evidence though, i agree with that, fact is, none of us has the money or resources to put out a bona fide scientific research paper, so all we have is our bioassays


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8185806 - 03/24/08 12:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Qft

Just because there hasnt been a compound isolated yet that is active it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. I think FH is right that there is alot of expectations that follow through into placebo effects. But i still stay firm that it is active in some way, if it was just a placebo it wouldnt have lasted for 4 hours.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: scruffymafia]
    #8186442 - 03/24/08 09:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So the only person (people?) in this thread who felt anything say it was mild and almost non-existent? So why do it at all? Make a tea of 400 leaves and report back.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Aopocetx]
    #8188295 - 03/24/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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So the only person (people?) in this thread who felt anything say it was mild




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So why do it at all?




i can think of a thousand "mild" things that people do everyday, including pot.

most things people do everyday that are not necessities for living are usually mild. so why do them? why comb your hair or brush your teeth?
varying subtleties of experience can form a greater achievement than one great experience, people usually take what they can get while its there.

what i experienced from coleus was not a placebo, and i noticed the wild coleus i tried was much stronger than homegrown. it may be that in its natural environment it produces something in greater quantities.

if the natives in mexico experienced something from it and it grows wild there in the hot-hot sun, and i experienced something from it in fiji where it grows wild in the hot-hot sun, but no one seems to feel much from it when it grows indoors under flourescent light and a little ambience from windows, then its probably an environment ordeal.

we could also have the wrong genetics, as we know different strains of the same species of cacti and plants can produce varying alkaloids, how is it not different with coleus sp? its similar as salvia in that it can spread by getting top-heavy and bending over to root itself in the dirt again - thus perpetuating the same genetics.
there may be wild varieties that have more "wild" in their genetics, that arent bred indoors or in greenhouses under flouros and diffused light being fed foney nutrients and living in a plastic environment.

the best effect i got from coleus back here in the states, was from stuff i planted in the ground in the full sun, and still it wasnt nearly as potent as the stuff i tried in fiji. tasted the same, not nearly the same effect.

placebo can be strong, but nothing like what i experienced.

anyone who says it does nothing just hasnt tried enough or the right way/with the right plant.
same as the people who smoke salvia and dont hold in their hits and say "that shits bunk"

theres a million possibilities to why a lot of people dont experience effects from specific plants, some people think wild dagga is crap too.
truth is, dagga grown in america is harsh and nasty and does very little, but dagga grown in africa is HIGHLY SEDATING, authorities there consider its use a "drug problem"

you guys are open-minded folk, please keep your foot in the door on this one until theres more research done.
until then grow as much of it as you can, and enjoy its beautiful colors.

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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: CptnGarden]
    #8188760 - 03/24/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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CptnGarden said:
you guys are open-minded folk, please keep your foot in the door on this one until theres more research done.
until then grow as much of it as you can, and enjoy its beautiful colors.




I intend to. This is one plant I've been meaning to explore for some time. However, if it falls short, I'll still have lots of beautiful plants to look at while I'm tripping on something else. :wink:


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: CptnGarden]
    #8188917 - 03/24/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Some people have the capacity to enjoy and appreciate mild things in life without feeling the need to be bowled over.

Myself, I am absolutely sure what I experienced was not placebo. The taste was awful and the effects somewhat mild and short-lived, but definite and in my opinion pleasant.

I did not want to share my experience but I guess I will, if only in defense of the plant. I quidded some leaves slowly and thoroughly (probably about twenty leaves, maybe more or less, can't really remember) outside after sundown. Awful, awful, awful taste. I went inside and maybe thirty minutes passed. My father was sitting across the room from me on a couch. I had no expectations, having previous attempts with Coleus with no effects whatsoever, and I was spending my time thinking and acting as if I had taken nothing, I was definitely not sitting and trying to look around for effects. Then seeming at a random time looking across the room I noticed something different that caught my eye. The colors and perception of space were slightly different. I watched over the next few minutes colors become gentle but bright. I was content now, having gotten something out of the plant after several trials. Me and my father started conversing about something and a few minutes into the conversation slowly the whole room and everything in it started to shrink. I was surprised but not alarmed. I watched as the whole room very slowly shrunk to the size of a large dollhouse and my father, who was speaking to me, to the size of a large doll. My mind completely sober thought-wise I continued our conversation and after a few minutes size and space perception returned to normal. Soon after colors returned to normal. Total effects for me were under an hour. I don't know whether or not I'll ever be able to repeat effects like that again. The effects to me seemed like a very mild and short-lived mushroom experience. I noticed no euphoria. I enjoyed it but am not itching to attempt it again because of the awful taste and the multiple negative bioassays. But it was definitely no placebo that time.


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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Ekstaza]
    #8189370 - 03/24/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ekstaza said:
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CptnGarden said:
you guys are open-minded folk, please keep your foot in the door on this one until theres more research done.
until then grow as much of it as you can, and enjoy its beautiful colors.




I intend to. This is one plant I've been meaning to explore for some time. However, if it falls short, I'll still have lots of beautiful plants to look at while I'm tripping on something else. :wink:




theres keeping things positive and open-minded.

your a brilliant researcher ek, i would be excited to see some worthwhile bioassays from you and various other experienced ethno-garden regulars.

someone definitely needs to try some extracts, and make some concentrates.

i would be glad to but i have no time and no money right now, ill try to grow a huge yard full of it this spring/summer though and see where that leads. but if i achieve what i did in fiji it still wont get us very far cause its still the same persons word for it, and people are looking for multiple peoples experiences as proof.

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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8189498 - 03/24/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Recently, salvinorine-like substances (diterpene) was discovered. The chemical structure has not yet been determined. It is possible that by drying or burning the diterpene, it chemical structure is modified into potent material. It must futher be researched.

-Plants of the Gods (revised and expanded edition) by Schultes, Hofmann and Ratch 2001

buy this book!

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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: ethnoguy]
    #8189787 - 03/24/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well it looks like a few of us are actually reporting very similar effects, a very good sign of activity if you ask me.

Basic effects it had on me:

- Giddiness, for about 5 minutes.
- Color changes, hue and saturation - almost like a big open log fire was going.
- Spacial change, i thought my table was alot taller than it was and every think seemed way more 3D.
- Sedation.

I might plant some outside to see if there is a potency change. I heard they look alot different when outside.

Cheers for the book lead ethnoguy, looks worth buying!


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