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scruffymafia
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Coleus blumei Bioassy
#8180264 - 03/22/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 13 hours ago) |
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I heard that Coleus was quite a fun plant to try, so i went to my local nursery and bought 9 plants for $9 - pretty fuckin cheap. I chopped up the leaves to help them dry quicker (to remove the potent plant smell). I left it in the sun for a few hours and made a tea out of it later on, the dry leaves were about 30grams.
The tea smelt like normal tea, looked like normal tea but tasted like schiese. It was very very bitter, reminiscent of drinking cactus juice. After drinking the tea i started the revolting task of eating the soggy leaves. Fucking gross.
After a few minutes all reminders of taking the tea were gone, no nausea or bad after taste.
Within about 15-20 minutes i noticed a few subtle changes like becoming extremely unsettled (i felt the need to stretch my whole body in weird ways). Then i noticed the room looked alot more colorful (had a orangey hue with a deepened saturation of colors). I had a brief 5 minutes of giddiness, similar to snorting valium - you just have a wicked grin and laugh at nothing.
I needed to go for a piss so i went onto the deck a pissed over the rail, i thought that might amuse me some but it didnt. I went back inside and my 3D perception was warped, it felt like i was in a Imax cinema - and this was very very amusing. I sat down and tried to follow what was happening on TV but i was pretty 'distant'. I wasnt thinking about other things, i just wasnt thinking. I wondered if it was a placebo after a while so i tried to snap out, but i couldnt alter fuck all of what was happening so i sat back and appreciated the colors on the TV and the sense of relaxation.
About 4 hours after i took it, it felt like the buzz was going away - so i fucked off to bed to have a heap of crazy fucking dreams, like a dream about camping and being attacked by 'bigfoot' wtf. They made absolutely no sense, they were unusually highly colorful and i can remember about 5-6 of them in fairly good detail, which i have never had happen before.
In summary, it was very different. It had similar over-all qualities to a very mild mushy trip. It was fun, i will definately do it again - but i might try an extraction.
Some of my plants:
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Edited by scruffymafia (03/22/08 03:58 PM)
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flangenips
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Cool, i've been waiting for a good bioassy on coleus. I'm not sure how well an extraction may work due to the notoriety of the active content being unstable. I would recommend putting time into it and use diluted reagents adding small amounts at a time(bubbling and fizzing may destroy it)
From what i've read even plucking from the plant and letting them dry may also degrade them. Extract from fresh picked leaves, defat if you have to. Please post your results if you follow this through.
I'm interested to find out what it is that keeps the drug stable, and maybe in our own saliva, from what i gather a great way to take it is to leave a wad in your mouth like chewing tobacco and absorb it through the saliva glands. Maybe some enzyme or fat/salt is the stabiliser.
I'm thinking or trying some soon and growing some next spring. This is an interesting plant, and amongst the other species of it are also some possible helpful chemicals, i can't remember which one, but one coleus species can help fat metabolism in our bodies. Plus, they cool to look at while in a state...
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
#8180391 - 03/22/08 04:36 PM (16 years, 12 hours ago) |
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alcohol extraaction and gelcap on fresh leaves is prolly the best way to go for coleus
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Nice report.
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scruffymafia
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Hmm i will have to investigate that more. I think it would be very fun in high doses, it was a very mild high - im still not completely sure i was truly having a trip or it was placebo. Im fairly confident it did work in some way though.
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flangenips
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Zinglons Acolyte said: alcohol extraaction and gelcap on fresh leaves is prolly the best way to go for coleus
from all i've read on this i don't think alcohol works. Cannot find a convincing, let alone successful, report anywhere of this. the general information i find on it states its either inactive or if there is an alkaloid it is too unstable out of the plant. (which would suggest an important stabilizer contained in the plant)
Just eat it or make a tea (use like 40 - 70 leaves if you can... an alcohol extraction would be a waste of time IMO)
OP: Yeah, it seems alot of people who have tried this are also unsure how much of their experience was placebo. Though to attribute a mild shroom-like experience to it kinda makes me think it may be more than placebo.
I will experiment one day with this plant
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
#8181446 - 03/22/08 09:20 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago) |
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Hmm,im no chemist, but just a thought, maybe you could investigate using a weaker base like Sodium BiCarbonate. then extract with naptha. May or may not work, could end up unpure, who knows heh...
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
#8181451 - 03/22/08 09:21 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago) |
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flangenips said:
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Zinglons Acolyte said: alcohol extraaction and gelcap on fresh leaves is prolly the best way to go for coleus
from all i've read on this i don't think alcohol works. Cannot find a convincing, let alone successful, report anywhere of this. the general information i find on it states its either inactive or if there is an alkaloid it is too unstable out of the plant. (which would suggest an important stabilizer contained in the plant)
Just eat it or make a tea (use like 40 - 70 leaves if you can... an alcohol extraction would be a waste of time IMO)
OP: Yeah, it seems alot of people who have tried this are also unsure how much of their experience was placebo. Though to attribute a mild shroom-like experience to it kinda makes me think it may be more than placebo.
I will experiment one day with this plant
on the contrary
a cold alcohol extraction would preserve the alkaloid much better than brewing tea, which would generally involve drying the leaves (reported to make it inactive or much lkess so) and steeping them in hot water (which can damage fragile alkaloids and or terpines)
cold alcohol extraction is ground, soaked in cold alcohol, evaporated then consumed, with minimal conditions which could damage any actives
i have tryed coleus myself buy chewing about 12 fresh leaves i kept them in my mouth for about 10 minutes and started feeling mildly dissociated, i spit it out and it faded over 4 minutes
im not at all sure if it was placebo or whatever, but there are too many completely different highs associated with coleus for it to be all the plant tho...
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flangenips
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hmm maybe it can work, i do understand tea would certainly degrade if it is infact unstable (see my first post in this thread). But i have a feeling alcohol extraction may not work, because i would have expected conclusive results from people who have tried this. But its still worth investigating i guess.
12 leaves from what i gather is not enough. Most convincing trip reports i see have people chewing the wad of 20+ leaves for about an hour or so (yuck!) and even then they're unsure if they tripped.
as for associated highs, yeah it seems there are a few differing opinions on coleus (psyc vs diss), but you get that with quite a few drugs. Fresh salvia for me has only felt similar to small amounts of nitrous oxide, where as good 10x smoked kicks my arse in a very hallucinogenic way.
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: flangenips]
#8181501 - 03/22/08 09:37 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago) |
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well im quite sensitive to any substance, 15 mg of adderall makes me tweak out bad lol
-------------------- And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast. ----- "And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!" -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move." -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" "If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna
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scruffymafia
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I think the spacial distortion and disassociation were definitely the Coleus. The others i am not too sure on. I will try an alcohol extraction with some leaves when they get bigger. I am very keen to crack open this drug. It had much potential.
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try it with fresh plant next time, soak the whole plant in lightly to just under boiling water.
question, did the tea taste like complete shit?
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: CptnGarden]
#8181660 - 03/22/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago) |
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It was foul, at first i thought that 'this is a taste that you could acquire to'. But after a few more sips i changed my mind completely. It was bitter and made me nearly gag sometimes. The tea was a bright red color with a brown tinge. Whys that?
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coleus
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After all of this complicated extraction and viability talk my question is, What the hell is the active compound?
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Taharka
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: coleus]
#8182850 - 03/23/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Active compound is not known. If there is one, maybe a terpene. They are found in the mint family, thujone and salvinorin being active examples.
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Scruffy I think your report is bullshit for one reason and that reason is because you experienced something known as "placebo" as Coleus doesn't do what you just said it does. It does nothing at all. That's just my opinion though.
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Taharka
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Aopocetx]
#8183107 - 03/23/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Woah man chill. There have been many reports of Colues activity. The Mazatec hold C. blumei and C. pumilus sacred alongside Salvia. Millions of Coleus are sold all over the world, and differences in activity could be attributed to anything. I honestly think we don't know enough to say that Coleus isn't activy in any way.
A note on Coleus. The genus was split, some (including C. blumei) being moved into Solenostemon, now S. scutellaroides. I can't find C. pumilus.
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Re: Coleus blumei Bioassy [Re: Taharka]
#8183450 - 03/23/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Taharka said: Woah man chill. There have been many reports of Colues activity. The Mazatec hold C. blumei and C. pumilus sacred alongside Salvia. Millions of Coleus are sold all over the world, and differences in activity could be attributed to anything. I honestly think we don't know enough to say that Coleus isn't activy in any way.
A note on Coleus. The genus was split, some (including C. blumei) being moved into Solenostemon, now S. scutellaroides. I can't find C. pumilus.
ya, there is history among the indians that coleus was sometimes used when salvia was unavailible
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yeah ive never had any luck psychoactively, but I still grow them because they look cool.
On a side note, ive noticed theyre pretty similar to salvia in appearance. Think theyre related...
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daytripper23 said: yeah ive never had any luck psychoactively, but I still grow them because they look cool.
On a side note, ive noticed theyre pretty similar to salvia in appearance. Think theyre related...
they are, theyre both in the mint family
-------------------- And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast. ----- "And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!" -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move." -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" "If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna
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