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question about nuclear fusion...
#8179734 - 03/22/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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nuclear fusion is the science of atoms nucleus fusing together, and releasing a nuetron or a proton in the process i believe.. releasing radioactivity...
fusion can occur with the implosion of a nuclear bomb, which i don't understand...
it can also happen with extreme gravity, right? such as what created the sun, correct?
it takes heat to and gravity to cause fusion.. well shit, i forgot what the main question i was trying to ask is.. let me get back to this....
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8179767 - 03/22/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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mainly... it takes heat and gravity to cause fusion, right? does the gravity produce the heat?
also, when you implode an atomic bomb, is it purely the heat and gravity from the atomic explosion that cause the fusion? no.. right?
it has something to do with the atomic reaction... right?
can anyone explain?
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8179882 - 03/22/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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As I understand it, fusion in stars does take place due to gravity. And gravity in turn causes more friction due to the particles getting closer together, heating up the entire mass.
As nebulae is pulled in by gravity, it gets tighter and tighter. The increase in friction causes heat. The only reason heat is important is because it's energy. As more energy collects and the prticles get even closer, enough energy is present to fuse two hydrogen atoms together when they collide. Once this happens, an incredible amount of energy is released causing the fusion of many more atoms.
In a nuclear fusion weapon, they detonate a fission weapon to provide the massive ammounts of energy required for hydrogen to fuse. This explosion occurs and irtually simultaneously the hydrogen begins to fuse.
I believe that they use a certain isotope of hydrogen, though I don't know which one.
Wikipedia probably has more info. Here's the link.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: dill705]
#8180111 - 03/22/08 03:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is this good enough?
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: dill705]
#8180451 - 03/22/08 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, wikipedia confused me. I wish there was something detailed about it, it's fascinating to me...
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8180527 - 03/22/08 05:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Put atoms together, apply sufficent pressure=fusion.
A thermonuclear bomb uses a fission charge to push the fusion charge, when it's pushed hard enough by the fission explosion, a fusion explosion occurs.
In fusion reactors, large and powerful magnets, or laser arrays provide the pressure.
In stars, gravity provides the pressure, although I suspect the large and powerful magnetic fields in the photosphere also fuses hydrogen.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8180626 - 03/22/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, you need a force large enough to overcome the repeeling properties of like charges found in the protons of the nucleus.
Once you've broken through that force, another force takes over that combines the two atoms. The new atom has less mass than the first two that created it.
Why you ask? Because the missing mass has been destroyed and turned into energy following the equation E=MC^2.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: dill705]
#8180644 - 03/22/08 06:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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interesting as shit..
a fusion reactor, i thought they hadn't stabilized fusion?
that fusion is some interesting shit, so the fusion comes together and since energy is destroyed, the new atom has less mass than the original two, and without stability, the amount energy not refused in a fusion reaction is released
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8180652 - 03/22/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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refused=released*
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8180658 - 03/22/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What the fuck are you talking about?
What you meant to say is that because the resulting mass of the reaction is less than the mass of the reactants, you must assume it was destroyed.
This is evidenced by the gigantic explosion it creates. The equation is how we measure the amount of energy created by the destroyed mass.
Mass=Energy multiplied by The Speed Of Light raised to the second power.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: dill705]
#8180704 - 03/22/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't know what the fuck you just said... i don't really know, that's why i made this post.. dude
anyway, that's why i was saying, in a fusion bomb, i'm guessing that the particles released in fusion without the proper gravity to hold them would be protons and nuetrons and such and create a chain reaction therefore creating a fission explosion, but by creating unstable fusion, a huge atomic explosion is released.
it's amazing to me that in a fraction of a second, the unstability of the fusion reaction created would further expand the atomic explosion chain reaction, or create one overtaking it.
a star is fascinating to me, how close to the sun would you have to be to die of radiation poisoning, if you were to go too close to the sun, what would kill you first, the heat, or the radiation? and obviously being crushed in it's immense gravity would be the last thing.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8180736 - 03/22/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No fusion reaction is going to start a fission reaction. At least not to the best of my knowledge/the way you are describing it.
I'm glad you are looking for answers to interesting questions, but the answers were just spelled out to you.
This thread reminds me of the one you got closed about weed. Like they told you read some shit, it aint that hard. Shit, all the confusing stuff in the wiki article has links explaining it. I'm trying not to be rude, but you progressively seem like an underage member, and that's against the rules, so if I were you I'd start:
READING.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: dill705]
#8180830 - 03/22/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: DieCommie]
#8181155 - 03/22/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i just read those 2 weeks ago, there's a lot of things it leaves out. such as what i was just asking, i'll go through it again, but it leaves a lot of the science of fusion out, and talks a lot about what produces the fusion reaction, not all about what happens in fusion, and a lot more about where you see fusion reactions.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8181304 - 03/22/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude, it explains everything. I knew my comments would piss you off, that's why I try'd to be a little diplomatic about it. No reason to shout at me. I'm just trying to give you some advice. After looking at your ratings, it seems a lot of people want you to start reading.
Maybe reading isn't the problem (and again, please don't take this like I'm being an asshole ) and the problem lies in your misunderstanding.
The answer to what happens in nuclear fusion is already answered in the name of the reaction. Two atoms FUSE together. In the process some mass is lost as heat energy and as radiation in the form of beta and alpha particles. I don't quite remember what makes those particles up, but I'm fairly confident that they are protons in one and neutrons in the other.
When you say stuff like this
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[ there's nothing in there that explains how an unstable fusion reaction turns into an explosion, i thought it was a reaction of protons being released in a fusion reaction(which does happen), creating a chain fission reaction. /quote] it makes me wonder how you misunderstood all the info given to you.
When you say unstable, that's what causes an unstopable runaway reaction that releases massive amounts of energy, IE an explosion. When things ARE stable that means that we can control the reaction, like by slowing it down, speeding it up, shutting it off.
Understand that a FUSION bomb only uses a FISSION reaction to compress the hydrogen atoms inside the chamber where the hydrogen is stored. The immense energy released by the fission reaction supplies the needed energy to overcome the repellent forces that were talked about in earlier posts.
Then the hydrogen fuses uncontrollably until all the hdyrogen fuel is used up, which happens almost instantly. It doesn't start a fission reaction. There is no need in a weapon. Fusion releases more energy than fission, hence why we would use a perfectly capable fission weapon to produce a much greater fusion weapon.
I really hope this helps you in your search for understanding on this issue. I really didn't mean to offend you and hope that you will accept my words of apology.
BTW 12 year old boys don't suck my cock.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8182239 - 03/23/08 12:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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imachavel said: yeah, wikipedia confused me. I wish there was something detailed about it
Do you mean less detailed?
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: Boom]
#8182438 - 03/23/08 02:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't know.. fuck it bro, i guess i got the explanation i needed..
thanks dill705, didn't mean to offend you, i don't really care who sucks your cock, 12 year or 72 year old.
god, if it wasn't just about everyone on every damn board...... look dill705, i really don't care who sucks your cock, or how many people want me to read, i really don't care what people want me to do, i don't do what people want me to do.
if i told you "hey, i want you to read, it bothers me when you come on here and ask questions" how would you feel? "yeah, sure.. i'll read, didn't mean to offend you" no bro...
people fuckin follow me around from forum to forum just to explain how pissed they are from some other post i made. I come on here to ask questions, because if i wanted to read, i would've just done that, instead of coming to the shroomery.
this is a hobby for me, i guess, to come to this board, it's not like it's my main interest, i go online at times because i'm bored.
so, i don't know if that explains things. i don't really remember what you said, it tends a lot of people say some shit like "your dumb, why the fuck are you posting this? go read something fucker, stop wasting the boards time" then come back with something when i say shit to them saying "damn, don't know why you're being so rude, you know, i'm trying to help, and you do this to yourself"
i guess i mistook you for one of those people, that was my mistake, maybe your answer seemed a little smart ass, if i was wrong, then my fault. Don't ask me....
anyway, thanks for the explanation. Next time, fuck it, i won't ask or something, i don't know. No one necessarily gives half a shit about anything on these boards but just fuckin jumping down every post i make.. fuck, for what? i don't know
so don't take it personally
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8182665 - 03/23/08 07:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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o0o it's all good. I probably was a smartass, I am a lot. I was just confused on why you were confused. Feel free to PM me if you have more questions about this.
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: dill705]
#8183106 - 03/23/08 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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dill705 said: o0o it's all good. I probably was a smartass, I am a lot. I was just confused on why you were confused. Feel free to PM me if you have more questions about this.
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so, what is your major area of science, chemistry? physics? what's something you're interested in, what do you think of the protein folding page?
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
#8183169 - 03/23/08 12:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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here's a good question, we've all seen fusion in nature, in stars, does fission occur in nature?
this is a question that's hard to find online.. there's no fission in an unstable fusion explosion? a fission explosion releases protons.. right? that cause a chainreaction of protons destroying other atoms, and when these protons are released, they always seem to aim at other atoms. In a fusion bomb, nuetrons are released... i thought the explosion was caused when the lack of stability with fusion caused energy to expand and propel the neutrons released and create a fission reaction which acted in splitting the other atoms apart with nuetrons? this isn't it? it's just the tremendous energy released from the explosion?
i thought nuclear fission and fusion were very similar and related, i thought nuclear fission just had the lack of fusion in the elements, and how could nuclear fusion release so much energy compared to nuclear fission if that is the case and the explosion is just the release of energy?
if people don't want to explain this, they can just point me out to links online, instead of being rude.
they couldn't make a fusion bomb with hydrogen? maybe a shitload of hydrogen contained in the size of a building? also, when the atomic bomb was detonated under water, it created an even bigger explosion because of the density of the water i believe, the molecules being closer together, making it easier for the chain reaction to gain more energy, and spread further..
could the same be done with a hydrogen bomb? if exloded under water... could it gain more momentum and energy and fuse the hydrogen in the water?
aren't there apparently water stars or something? h2o in fusion in stars? i guess i don't know....
that's why i'm asking... questions never hurt
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Re: question about nuclear fusion... [Re: imachavel]
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