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black hole science....
    #8179720 - 03/22/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

who has explanations? i'm ready for any information, so go ahead.....


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: imachavel]
    #8180257 - 03/22/08 03:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:  You should read wikipedia about black holes and then try to post a specific question.  Im sure somebody here will know the answer.

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8180352 - 03/22/08 04:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is classic imachavel

Diecommie, now the physicists here get a taste of what the chemists have gotten. :smile:

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: imachavel]
    #8180382 - 03/22/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:dielaughing:

I'll leave this one to the physicists....

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8180469 - 03/22/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

funny, the physicists don't seem as much as assholes as "the chemists" as you put it...

i guess they're more interested in science and learning that just knowing everything. You'd think there'd be some normal people who just like to discuss shit. i don't know this was a room full of bonafied physicists.

anyway, i'll go look something up i guess, i know virtually nothing about black holes, or hardly anything i could remember anyway, i'll try and find something


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: imachavel]
    #8180632 - 03/22/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

god, there's so much shit about black holes, i wouldn't know what to ask, i just thought it'd be a fascinating thread conversation.

the spacetime also being absorbed and slowing down is interesting.

what's that other universe shit? and a negative gravity universe being on the other side, that'd be something else... exept i don't believe in that for some reason, but i guess it's possible since i can't prove it isn't


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: imachavel]
    #8191267 - 03/25/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if a black hole was a ball of light that can't escape.

Photons are affected by gravity so there could well be a gravity effect to them.

Maybe if you compress matter with enough force, nearly all structures are lost and only photons remain. With enough mass equivalents in there, you'd get a tiny ball of light, trapped by itself.

Any comments?


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Asante]
    #8195629 - 03/26/08 08:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yep , i got some.

Black holes are not really black. In fact they are full of light etc .. its just called black holes to scare uneducated folk .

Black holes have event horizons .. the information barrier . Not all light is equal . Thermal readings aer one of the last classic scalar measures to be emitted from the event horizon .

It is linked to the unknown theory of gravitation . What is a graviton ? we dont know .. Are Black holes creators of the universe in local regions or its consumers ? .. we do do-not know .. But black hole is a misnomer so its absurd to present that black holes have no information because they are almost certainly highly concentrated forms of information/energy .

Gravity is said to be slower or equal to the speed of light , but this is not verified to the satisfaction of all , regardless of the lesser transit of mercury etc probe , gravity is rather quantum in nature and may exist as local areas of charge in 3D space as likely as does it actually warp space and time (something a waitress actually wrote on a napkin and passed to einstein over dinner) ..


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: cleeen]
    #8195714 - 03/26/08 08:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Black holes are not really black.





What I'm thinking: light from the surrounding stars that barely makes it not to be sucked in the hole will be scattered in all directions.. so a black hole, if you could get close enough to see, would shine very faintly.

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Asante]
    #8206311 - 03/28/08 01:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ahhh... why not? a hundred trillion years, huh? so longer than the life of the sun? or is this dependant only of really BIG suns? which, being bigger and needing more fuel, don't seem like they'd last SO much longer than a regular star, but oh well...

HEY, what can we do? we know virtually NOTHING about these black holes

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: lsdPSYCHosis]
    #8206522 - 03/28/08 02:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Stars typically last a couple of billion years, or a few dozen billion years.

If you want a star that'll last you a good amount of time, a Red Dwarf star is what you seek, they can last a trillion years.

Eventually all the stars will die. Then, as protons decompose, matter itself will fall apart. Then comes an era of unbelievable duration where there's nothing but black holes out there. When they bleed out all that is left is the Void, awaiting a new Big Bang, which is expected to happen once in every unbelievable amount of time. Take a 1 and put well over 1.000 zeros behind it. That many years, give or take.


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Asante]
    #8206667 - 03/28/08 02:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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which is expected to happen once in every unbelievable amount of time.


Is it cosmologists who expect a new bang, or is that a religious thing? From my understanding, current cosmological models indicate that there will not be another bang (or there will not be a big crunch).

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8207252 - 03/28/08 04:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its not a religious thing.

If you have New Scientist Full Access you can read the article here


But the gist is that about once every 10^1054 years there might be a quantum fluctuation big enough to create a Big Bang. Thats a godawful amount of time, but you get a whole universe for it :awesome:

If these scientists got it right, there will be Big Bangs over and over into infinty. From there its only a small leap to an universe where everything possible shall be created over and over into infinity, which I subscribe to.


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Asante]
    #8207373 - 03/28/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Big Bang itself is kind of a religious thing. It was proposed by a clergyman and repeatedly we've had to bend the known laws of physics in order to justify keeping the theory around. I know a lot of scientists still put a lot of faith in it, but at this point I just don't buy it.

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8207947 - 03/28/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thx for that wiccan


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repeatedly we've had to bend the known laws of physics in order to justify keeping the theory around.


Such as?

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8207966 - 03/28/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dark matter.

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8208007 - 03/28/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What does that have to do with the bang? And how does that bend the laws of physics?

Isnt dark matter just a variable to explain the unknown reason for galaxies rotation speeds? Are you referring to the acceleration of expansion and using dark matter to explain that?

Dark matter doesnt bend any laws of physics, nor does it support the big bang theory. It is a placeholder for that which behaves as matter but cannot be seen. It isnt known what it really it (yes, physics does not claim to have all the answers). However, the bang theory is not supported by dark matter it is supported by background radiation and red shift. Even when the dark matter solution is found, if something is actually found or general relativity gets modified, big bang theory will still stand.

In short, the phenomenon that dark matter was invented to explain, does not effect big bang theory. Maybe the universe is shown not to be accelerating. Maybe there really is a halo of 'dark matter' surrounding galaxies. Maybe general relativity gets modified. None of this refutes the big bang theory.

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Re: black hole science.... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8208186 - 03/28/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

stupid question here.
I have read that the universe is accelerating outwards and that this indicates that there will not be a big crunch.
Is it possible that the universe is still accelerating outwards from the initial bang and that it may slow at some point?


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: sherm]
    #8208772 - 03/28/08 11:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.

Much thought has been given to proving whether or not things will keep accelerating outwards forever or if they will eventually slow their outward motion, stop, and then begin collapsing. The "Big Crunch" they call this hypothetical event.

I'm no astrophysicist, but I'm led to believe the outward acceleration ad infinitum is the leading theory. But the jury is still out, so to speak.


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Re: black hole science.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8208801 - 03/28/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sherm -
hmmm, I dont think that the current acceleration could be from the big bang. If the big bang is an 'explosion' that started it all, then what is causing it to go faster right now? That would be like a bullet speeding up after it left the barrel. The cause of the acceleration is unknown. Like madtown says, if it will ever slow down is unknown.



EDIT - Here is a fun picture I just found. You can see that it was expanding slowly, and now has accelerated to a faster expansion. Something other than the bang must be causing this.

Edited by Qubit (03/28/08 11:32 PM)

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