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The Unity of Spirit and Matter
    #8179582 - 03/22/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

http://sunrise-production.org/Unity_Movie1.html

Great video, funny in parts :grin: I truly believe we are not our bodies, we are the spirit within. Watch this video and tell me if you agree or disagree! And why?
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179622 - 03/22/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

If you believe you are not your body you are mistaken. Kill the body and see. No more posting at the shroomery about us not being our bodies.


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179649 - 03/22/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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I truly believe we are not our bodies




Do you have anything substantial to base this upon other than borrowed ideas?


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8179691 - 03/22/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Im not trying to prove anything. Watch the video, you'll either think theres truth there or not. Whatever.

One of main sources for what to me is truth or some what truthish is near death experiences, i love reading those.
Peace

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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179714 - 03/22/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Cool video!


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179726 - 03/22/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

You DO understand this is a discussion/debate forum?

Make a point and substantiate it or at least attempt to. Telling us to watch a video is not discussion.


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179738 - 03/22/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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One of main sources for what to me is truth or some what truthish is near death experiences




Care to elucidate? Yes, it is true some people have near-death experiences. What that tells us about a dead human is... NOTHING!


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8179801 - 03/22/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I will gladly discuss any topic, but the manner i was replied in suggested rudeness. I feel no need to prove anything to anyone that holds there beliefs so tight they must lash out at someone with opposing views.

Have you read many NDEs? Personally i see in them assurance of the continuance of life after the bodies death. People see the beautiful beings of light, waiting to welcome them home.

Ive heard all the arguments about NDEs being produced by the brain in various ways. And that just doesn't feel true to me. But to each their own.
Peace

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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179849 - 03/22/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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I will gladly discuss any topic,



OK, we are waiting for the discussion.

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but the manner i was replied in suggested rudeness.



Ah, projection and persecution complex.

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I feel no need to prove anything to anyone



Then The Mysticism Forum is a better home for you.

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hat holds there beliefs so tight they must lash out at someone with opposing views.



Questioning = lashing out? Are you serious?

From one question, you know all about me? Are you serious?

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Have you read many NDEs?



Probably more than you.

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Personally i see in them assurance of the continuance of life after the bodies death


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B-e-c-a-u-s-e? How does a live body tell us what a dead body experiences (or doesn;t experience)

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People see the beautiful beings of light, waiting to welcome them home.



People also see demons and hell.

Read my (DO A SEARCH) last thread on famed NDEr Dannion Brinkley and how all of his predictions failed. Seems those beings of light were just fucking with him or he was deluding himself.

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And that just doesn't feel true to me.



Your feelings are ALWAYS accurate?


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179906 - 03/22/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Shroompowah said:
I will gladly discuss any topic, but the manner i was replied in suggested rudeness. I feel no need to prove anything to anyone that holds there beliefs so tight they must lash out at someone with opposing views.

Have you read many NDEs? Personally i see in them assurance of the continuance of life after the bodies death. People see the beautiful beings of light, waiting to welcome them home.

Ive heard all the arguments about NDEs being produced by the brain in various ways. And that just doesn't feel true to me. But to each their own.
Peace




To say something "doesn't feel true to me" in this forum is like saying nothing at all. Do you want to debate your ideas and beliefs or not? If so don't be upset if someone disputes your lack of evidence and preporation.


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8179939 - 03/22/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I was not referring to you Orgone in reference to the rudeness. Your questioning is welcomed, although my ability to answer is limited. I do not do well with these awkward words and languages.
One thing im very interested in is OBE which is a part of the suggestive evidence also associated with NDE. While some say quantum physics allows ways for this type of behavior without non corporeal awareness to be necessary, again it just doesn't Feel right to me. Sure my feelings may not be 100% or even close but i have a sort of evolving mental picture which is based on the total of my knowledge and experience. Its hard to shorten it down into some satisfactory answer to your questions.
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179958 - 03/22/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Icelander perhaps i should back up a bit. I do not wish to offend you. Its very hard for me to understand intention and meaning in others written words at times. So you may have intended no rudeness. So either way i apologize.
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179966 - 03/22/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Whenever someone mentions 'quantum physics' in regard to metaphysical matters, my Bullshit Meter always pegs.



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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8179981 - 03/22/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Don't mind Icelander. He has good intentions, but is prone to subconscious antagonism.

(Oh no, teh personalismszefz!!)

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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8179996 - 03/22/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I am referring to a particle being able to exist in more than one place at a time. In other words they say some purely physical method allows OBE to occur.

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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8180015 - 03/22/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

What is your education regarding quantum physics? Using my psychic prowess, I would say it approaches zero and once again you are merely borrowing nonsense that you read or watched.


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8180036 - 03/22/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Instead of making smartass comments why dont you correct my incorrect information. Would be much more helpful. I am here to share And learn.
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8180086 - 03/22/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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What is your education regarding quantum physics? Using my psychic prowess, I would say it approaches zero and once again you are merely borrowing nonsense that you read or watched.




I would ask what can you learn except that which you either have read about or observed?
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8180110 - 03/22/08 02:59 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

There is a giant chasm between understanding and parroting. Try to grasp that.



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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8180144 - 03/22/08 03:12 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

There is a giant chasm between understanding and parroting. Try to grasp that.





Your still not being very helpful, but maybe thats just not your style.

I don't mind being wrong, my truth is an evolving thing, not set in stone. I try not to attach my ego to what i think is true or not true. So please where I'm wrong correct me.

A simple "You are wrong and are just saying what you've heard or read" doesn't make for much of a discussion.
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8180159 - 03/22/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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I am referring to a particle being able to exist in more than one place at a time. In other words they say some purely physical method allows OBE to occur.




Did you come about this false conclusion through study and inquiry and understanding or through regurgitation?

You make a ridiculous assertion and you want me to teach you college-level physics in one short easy post. :rolleyes:

Sorry, SP. This is an adult forum. It is not in my job description to spoon-feed every single wild-eyed New Ager that shows up here.


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8180224 - 03/22/08 03:45 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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I am referring to a particle being able to exist in more than one place at a time. In other words they say some purely physical method allows OBE to occur.




Did you come about this false conclusion through study and inquiry and understanding or through regurgitation?

You make a ridiculous assertion and you want me to teach you college-level physics in one short easy post. :rolleyes:

Sorry, SP. This is an adult forum. It is not in my job description to spoon-feed every single wild-eyed New Ager that shows up here.




We are talking about one specific thing in QM. If a particle cannot be in 2 places at once. I would think that fairly easy to explain, perhaps it is not.(Maybe i thinking the wrong thing anyway, maybe its a particle can instantaneously disappear from one place and appear in another? would that work in QM? I admit to not being an expert, as you have noticed lol)(a yes or no answer will suffice*if you answer at all*)

I do research this sort of stuff alot. But make no claims of being expert at anything. To be honest the more i search the more questions i have. I feel like one of those wierd shrews with the huge 22 tentacled noses that gets images from feeling its nearby enviroment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star-nosed_Mole
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8180244 - 03/22/08 03:53 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Google is your friend. There are many fine tutorials of all levels on physics and almost all are free.

But more importantly, before we can discuss the mechanism of a phenomenon, it must first be validated. OBEs have never been demonstrated to be more than an internal mind-state.


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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8180270 - 03/22/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Google is your friend. There are many fine tutorials of all levels on physics and almost all are free.




I do not mean to offend but you accuse me of parroting and then suggest i go off to learn something from another external source. Where did you learn QM? College? Is not anything you say on the matter parroting your college teachers, where has your original thought come into play in regards to your QM knowledge. Did you yourself test any of these theories to test there veracity. If not maybe you should step off that high horse.
Uggh, i have alot of internal work to do still i can tell lol.
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Re: The Unity of Spirit and Matter [Re: Shroompowah]
    #8180342 - 03/22/08 04:21 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

True that there are many levels of validation and one human will not live long enough to recreate the work of every man that has come before.

At the other extreme is accepting anything anyone tells you.

There is a middle ground wherein you can used accepted and tested paradigms to be logically applied against new claims. Sometimes such testing is not necessary as is obvious when an author talks nonsense about things not in his/her venue of expertise such as in the movie, 'What the Bleep Do We Know?' or the book, The Secret'.


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