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spineless cactus
    #817556 - 08/15/02 11:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

does anyone know what kind of cactus this is. it looked really neat so i dug it up and took it home with me.



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Re: spineless cactus [Re: smoorhsum]
    #817853 - 08/15/02 01:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

man, this one is really beautiful! i'm gonna take a look at my books afterwards but now i'll guess it's a cactus of the turbinicarpus genus...


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: smoorhsum]
    #817866 - 08/15/02 01:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well, that's not a cactus. Its a euphorbia... Euphorbia obesa, specifically.

Since this species is native to Africa, and since the only place you'd find it outside of Africa is in someone's ornamental plant collection... I'm assuming you probably dug this up from someone's yard or a botanical garden. Why not be nice and go put it back wherever you stole it from? It'd be good for your karma.


Edited by Murple (08/15/02 01:25 PM)


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: smoorhsum]
    #817886 - 08/15/02 01:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Where did you find that specimen?

It's very interesting..

My guess is that it belongs to the Genus: Astrophyton

anything more, no clue.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: smoorhsum]
    #817971 - 08/15/02 01:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i actually live in colorado and found it growing wild about 50 miles south of denver. it was around alot of other cactus called prickly pear i think. this one just stuck out like a sore thumb so i took it home to nurture. anyways there is not a home for like 5 miles in any direwction so i dont think it could be from someones personal garden. well here is a pic of the other cacti it was growing around.

thanx for the input.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: smoorhsum]
    #817991 - 08/15/02 01:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You found a E. obesa growing wild in Colorado?!?! Thats kinda fucked up. How is an African desert plant growing wild near Denver? Strange. Must've escaped from cultivation somewhere. I'm very surprised since Colorado is probably way too cold for this species, and that's a pretty big plant.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: smoorhsum]
    #818005 - 08/15/02 02:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Very beautiful.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: Murple]
    #818315 - 08/15/02 04:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it's an Obesa.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: neuro]
    #818440 - 08/15/02 05:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What do you think it is? Looks very typical of an E. obesa to me.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: Murple]
    #818786 - 08/15/02 07:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

When you said E. Obesa i immediately thought to myself "duh" what was i thinking, definitely Euphorbia, but i wasn't completely sure about Obesa, just doesn't look exactly like an Obesa to me, and i'm skeptical as to how it got out there into colorado.

Obesa to me looks darker in the green heading to blue-ish with darker strips that there, plus the cactus growth areas, see in the light green (forms the star like shape) in this picture seem to be sunken into the cactus but has rounded old grown surrounding it.

Classic Obesa to me is more pointed in those spots than rounded, and the pseudo-spine stomates that stick out are more protruded than in the pic.

I'll have to search through a book or two here in my house see if i can come up with an exact species for that.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: neuro]
    #818808 - 08/15/02 07:51 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

There are two forms of E. obesa, male and female. Its not a hermaphroditic plant. The two sexes do have some differences in appearance. Perhaps that's what's confusing you.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: Murple]
    #818834 - 08/15/02 08:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

hmm, you might be right... but i'm also thinking maybe not, the differences are so stark. I'm gonna try and find some specimens around here.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: neuro]
    #818885 - 08/15/02 10:41 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Let me know... because that really looks like a typical E. obesa to me. I can't think of any other euphorbias that have that shape, but I'm not really an expert on euphorbias. All the pictures of E. obesa that I can find online look pretty similar too:

http://images.fotki.com/v1/photos/8/8126/39996/July202001_Image02_Euphorbia_obesa-vi.jpg
http://www.cactuspro.com/fonds/Euphorbia_obesa_1024x768.jpg
http://digilander.libero.it/akat/Divagazioni/piante_grasse/Obes01.jpg
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~grnhouse/images/families/euph1.jpg
http://www.cactus-succulents.com/eup_ob.jpg

Definately a neat looking plant.


Edited by Murple (08/15/02 10:47 PM)


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: Murple]
    #818932 - 08/15/02 11:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

that is one trippy lookin cactus


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: angryshroom]
    #818975 - 08/16/02 12:23 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Got one of those...~3inches wide...like it looks..its a beautiful cacti..

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Re: spineless cactus [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #819879 - 08/16/02 09:37 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Its not a cactus.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: Murple]
    #820526 - 08/16/02 12:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I had this feeling that there was another Species in the Euphorbia genus that was also rounded.. I don't know why, but so far i've found no other domed Euphorbias.. Most likely it is just a sex difference like you said. I'll keep tracking around though.


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: neuro]
    #821542 - 08/16/02 05:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Neuro, maybe you were thinking of:



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Re: spineless cactus [Re: SalsDali]
    #821900 - 08/16/02 08:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm, neat. From what I'm reading, the difference between the obesa and symmetrica is that the symmetrica produces multiple buds per node, while obesa just has one. Apparantly there is some debate over whether these are two species or one ("Euphorbia obesa, E. symmetrica, two species or two names only?" by J. Ř?ha and R. ?ub?k, 1985).

Personally, I'm a cactus man, and don't know all that much about euphorbias. I have an E. obesa and an E. lactea, and occasionally grow poinsettas, but I've never really been fascinated by them like I am by cacti.

The genus really needs to be broken up thoug... I mean seriously, how can these little round obesa be in the same species as a leafy poinsetta or a columnar lactea? It's ridiculous!


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Re: spineless cactus [Re: SalsDali]
    #822043 - 08/16/02 08:51 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Ah Ha! .. that's it.. i was trying to remember another one... i knew there was atleast one more domed Euphorbia.


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