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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8172286 - 03/20/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

so you would agree with Obama when he said in his speech:

"In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race.

Their experience is the immigrant experience -- as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor.

They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense.

So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African-American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time."

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8172342 - 03/20/08 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Thanks for posting exactly what I was thinking. :thumbup:

Zappa, what you gotta understand is that we give "white" schools disproportionatly more funding. Many of the schools in Detroit have less than 5 computers. For hundreds of kids.

If quality education is given, we've seen many african americans succeed. But when you go to the slums, it's not just that they don't try, it's also that we don't give them MUCH of a chance. That's why black's are in more debt than whites. No one taught them about the responsibilities of credit like they did for me in my predominatly white and very well funded school.

Call me a socialist, that's cool. You've been living in a secret socialist society anyways. I just wish people like you would open their minds to certain undeniable facts, such as the stain of slavery. I' not saying you should feel bad, or have to say your sorry. You didn't do shit.

But it is time to realize that what benefits the individual will benefit all in this country. And sometimes you have to put yourself aside for the greater good. That's what this speach is all about. Taking the next step in perfecting our union.

Maybe after race we can finally deal with the war on drugs and we can all be free.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8172345 - 03/20/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

So you think the speech was great huh? The only polls that matter show that he went from well ahead of Hillary and McCain to well behind McCain and even with the bitch. There's a poll for you.

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In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Obama now leads Clinton 46% to 43%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led by eight.

McCain currently leads Barack Obama 49% to 42% and Hillary Clinton 51% to 41% margin



http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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The good news for Obama is that his numbers have stopped falling since his speech on Tuesday. The bad news is that they haven’t bounced back.



http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/the_impact_of_pastor_wright_and_the_speech_on_election_2008

He did not help himself with that speech at all and the dissection of it is hardly begun. I heard Chris Wallace on Imus this morning and he had an excellent point. He said that the President needs to be the most avid supporter of American and people are going to be deeply suspicious of someone who sat through these anti-American rants for twenty years. Really piss poor judgment on Barry's part. And then there's William Ayers and assorted other things like Rezko and his whitey hating wife. Dead man walking.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8172353 - 03/20/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I love how you've turned into a little Poll-Watcher all of a sudden.

Man, I guess it turns out that when they aren't predicting the imminent demise of that group of buffoons you call the GOP these polls just may have an actual use, eh?

Passing strange, that.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8172377 - 03/20/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

:dielaughing:


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8172400 - 03/20/08 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
I love how you've turned into a little Poll-Watcher all of a sudden.

Man, I guess it turns out that when they aren't predicting the imminent demise of that group of buffoons you call the GOP these polls just may have an actual use, eh?

Passing strange, that.




:smirk:

i never trusted the polls until they predicted correctly the GOP losing the house and senate......


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8172421 - 03/20/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

:dielaughing:

I loved that election day. Made me so proud to be American. But then they didn't do a GODDAMN THING.

Now I'm depressed again. Even when we vote for the right causes, we elect lame retards.

Except for B-Rock :tongue2:


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8172432 - 03/20/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I just think it's stupid for everyone to start screaming about this now. Listen, it's clear from the recent coverage that B-Rock is at a low-ebb in his popularity. This is probably to be expected given his quick rise and relative inexperience.

But the General is *8* months away. 8 months ago, Hillary Clinton was running against Rudy. Remember?

Presidential preference polls at this point, when you don't even know who will be running, are pointless. Yes, B-Rock is not looking so hot right now. He's taking fire from two sides though, so what do you expect? Right now he is being called too far right by Hillary, too far left by Mccain, and a white-hating coon by nearly everyone.

But this is a small issue. I guarantee you that in a time of fiscal crisis created by Republicans, international strife and conflict perpetrated by Republicans, and dangerously broken energy and foreign policies put in place by Republicans that more important issues will be back in the fore soon. And like I said above, I think once you get rid of one of those sources of fire and get out of the cross-fire B-Rock will be able to campaign much more effectively. It will be much easier to campaign against John Mccain alone than against John Mccain and Hillary Clinton.

I don't think anyone thinks Iraq or tax-cuts are less important and deserving of national dialogue than the unfortunate comments of Rev. Wright.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8172469 - 03/20/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Right, 8 months is a loooooong time in politics.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8172513 - 03/20/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

A long time that will see the deficit go up, the troops not come home, and our civil liberties still not restored.

B-Rock all the way. :hippie:


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: dill705]
    #8172533 - 03/20/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

:grin:the way its going Obama will be lucky if he can hold his Senate seat.....


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8172541 - 03/20/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Thanks for your opinion.

I don't think he was counting on a win in TX anyway.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8172739 - 03/20/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
I love how you've turned into a little Poll-Watcher all of a sudden.

Man, I guess it turns out that when they aren't predicting the imminent demise of that group of buffoons you call the GOP these polls just may have an actual use, eh?

Passing strange, that.




I was only using the poll to point out the impact of the speech. Which was nil. If it had been such a great speech he would have shown a bounce. He didn't. I was quite sure McCain would win even when he tracked behind. He hasn't won yet but the fact that he is now ahead doesn't make me think he will lose. I judged that on the fact that the Dems have two terribly flawed candidates.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8172759 - 03/20/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Up until a few weeks ago, Mccain was a terribly flawed candidate as well.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8172761 - 03/20/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

we shall see, dems are also voting in record numbers, while republicans are having problems getting their party members to vote. the dems have had easily 3x the voter turnout the republicans are getting

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8172785 - 03/20/08 05:26 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Ummmm, might that not be because there is actually a Dem race?

The Dem front runners are:
A widely reviled woman
A totally inexperienced black man

Flawed in far stronger ways than McCain.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8172807 - 03/20/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Ummmm, might that not be because there is actually a Dem race?

The Dem front runners are:
A widely reviled woman
A totally inexperienced black man

Flawed in far stronger ways than McCain.




now yes but even when there was a GOP race the dems were still getting 2x-3x the voter turnout. im still undecided on who im voting for at the moment if i decide to vote at all this election

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8172849 - 03/20/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Hillary is a galvanizing force.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8172891 - 03/20/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

The reason why his polling hasn't jumped is because most Americans haven't heard the speach in it's entirety yet. All they've heard is soundbites.

Even so, I never thought it would rise significantly due to this speach alone. There's too many people who just don't care about the trials nd tribulations of others.


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: dill705]
    #8172910 - 03/20/08 06:06 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

dill705 said:
The reason why his polling hasn't jumped is because most Americans haven't heard the speach in it's entirety yet. All they've heard is soundbites.




That is to his advantage
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Even so, I never thought it would rise significantly due to this speach alone. There's too many people who just don't care about the trials nd tribulations of others.




I can somewhat care about the trials and tribulations of others. Poor Barry had such a brutal childhood, I'd like to buy him a lollipop. Grape, of course.


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