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    #8147445 - 03/14/08 08:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Guess what folks: It's a total myth that it's unsafe to mix alchohol with (most) antibiotics! The myth was intentionally started by doctors at STD clinics who didn't want thier patients getting amorous and passing on thier diseases before they were cured. :lol:

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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8148756 - 03/15/08 09:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Don't be too quick to gamble yor life on that!

Go get a strong case of strep and drink through your antibiotics. Heart valve surgery could be your reward.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8149085 - 03/15/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Wrong forum darling.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: Icelander]
    #8149158 - 03/15/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know, any mods wanna move it? Posting here is just habitual...


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8149184 - 03/15/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know abotu that. I drank on antibiotics and it messed me up pretty bad. I didn't drink much and I ended up hackin my guts out and the next day at work was a mess... my boss told me to go sleep in the van and i basicaly got fired at the end of the week.

Shouldn't drink if you have any sort of ailment.

If you are not sick and take anibiotics for fun, it should be fine, but who does that?


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8149217 - 03/15/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

NiamhNyx said:
I know, any mods wanna move it? Posting here is just habitual...




Gee, you seem like a PUB or OTD type to me.:confused:


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8149276 - 03/15/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I did research and every medical site said it was a myth that it was dangerous to drink (moderately) with most antibiotics (including penicillins.) You just don't wanna get trashed every night because that would defeat the purpose of trying to get healthy in the first place.

The thing is, I feel completely healthy. I had a super mild strep throat that disappeared after the first day and a half of pills, and now I have 8 days left to go and want to have 3 or 4 drinks at a party tonight. If the only people who say it's dangerous are non-medical professionals, and all medical professionals say it should be ok, I have a good idea who's advice I'm gonna take.


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Gee, you seem like a PUB or OTD type to me.:confused:




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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8149285 - 03/15/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If the only people who say it's dangerous are non-medical professionals, and all medical professionals say it should be ok, I have a good idea who's advice I'm gonna take.

But,but those others are more spiritual than doctors with all their silly logic and other evil stuff. You will surely die child.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: Icelander]
    #8149338 - 03/15/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's funny that people are willing to perpetuate myths even when faced with striking evidence that refutes it... especially when it's about something so non-essential to anyone's fundamental world view, and when it's a matter that is truly and irrefutably objective.

But, I just don't want to live in a world where it's safe to drink while on antibiotics! Morality would fly right out the window!

To be reasonable, antibiotics and alcohol have similar side effects so they might exaccerbate each other's effect and make you more drowsy and dizzy than you might otherwise be from either of them alone. It's a risk I'm willing to take.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8149444 - 03/15/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Just don't tip over.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8154925 - 03/16/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If you've already made the dicision, why the hell are you asking what others think. Go a head and drink, stop taking you antibiotics, after all you do feel better.

Streptococcal can turn into Scarlet fever and or Rheumatic fever. Rheumatic fever can destroy heart valves.
But if having your drinks is more important, why ask for advice you don't want to use in the first place. What did your doctor tell you, or have you asked?

Noncompliant patients account for an incrdible consumption of health care dollars and clog up medical systems.
Hopitals are full of sick people, some are simply unfortunate, others suffer from stupidity. Which group will you join?


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: AtrioVent]
    #8155412 - 03/16/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I wasn't asking for advice. I was sharing a tidbit of newly acquired knowledge that I found interesting.

What's your problem? Your righteous indignation is really not necessary here. Just for fun, why don't you do a bit of research on the subject and get back to me? Every credible medical website I found said it was reasonably safe to mix a couple drinks with most antibiotics and I'm definintly more inclined to trust the judgement of trained professionals over some cranky random dude on the internet. Accepting the expert advice of medical professionals and making my own informed decision based on that information as well as how I feel certainly doesn't make me a "noncompliant patient."

For the record, I did go out and drink last night and I enjoyed myself immensely. I washed my last dose of amoxicillin down with my last beer at 1 am, right on schedule. I woke up this morning with a hangover but no sign of dangerous drug interactions, strep throat or rheumatic fever and I have maintained my dosing schedule carefully. The drugs have continued to work as per usual and all is well. I do not plan to drink again until I'm finished my pills.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8159873 - 03/17/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
I wasn't asking for advice. I was sharing a tidbit of newly acquired knowledge that I found interesting.

What's your problem? Your righteous indignation is really not necessary here. Just for fun, why don't you do a bit of research on the subject and get back to me? Every credible medical website I found said it was reasonably safe to mix a couple drinks with most antibiotics and I'm definintly more inclined to trust the judgement of trained professionals over some cranky random dude on the internet. Accepting the expert advice of medical professionals and making my own informed decision based on that information as well as how I feel certainly doesn't make me a "noncompliant patient."

For the record, I did go out and drink last night and I enjoyed myself immensely. I washed my last dose of amoxicillin down with my last beer at 1 am, right on schedule. I woke up this morning with a hangover but no sign of dangerous drug interactions, strep throat or rheumatic fever and I have maintained my dosing schedule carefully. The drugs have continued to work as per usual and all is well. I do not plan to drink again until I'm finished my pills.




I apologize for being a bit harsh.
There are reasons for the labels put on prescriptions. There is also information on the internet to support any idea, even that support supposed "medical myths".
After 22 years working in health care, have seen many persons exacerbate their illness from drinking on antibiotics numerous times. Some are no longer with us. We are responsible for our selves. When we're sick is not the time to drink and be merry.
Every time you take anitibiotics your body potetially builds a resistance to that particular antibiotic or the entire strain of antibiotics. If you get worse your doctor will probably change to a different antibiotic, repeating the above mentioned possibility. If you get worse don't blame the doctor, pharmacist, or drug manufacturer, and damn sure don't try to sue any of them.
We have to take reponsibility for our own state of health.

Pardon the preaching, I've had too many battle scars from these types of behavior. I pray your well and getting better.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: AtrioVent]
    #8160350 - 03/18/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I can understand where you're coming from, but you assumed I was ignorant and some kind of compulsive drinker when I couldn't be farther from being either of those. For the record, my bottle had no label that said it was unsafe to drink and neither my doctor nor pharmacist said anything about it. I looked at dozens of pages including quite a few respectable medical sites and all of the credible ones said it was ok to have a reasonable few one night, while the only places I found anyone saying it was actually dangerous were discussion forums with total laymen repeating myths.

The websites I found did say that drinking in excess while on antibiotics would probably be a bad idea, which anyone with half a brain would certainly agree with.

Any reasonable, intelligent person who is in control of their substance intake can assess thier situation and act in thier own best interest. I felt absolutely fine on saturday night and as I was really excited about a date I had planned I decided it was safe to have a few beers. I had them and I have not suffered any repercussions healthwise. I would certainly not go on a bender while on antibiotics (or anytime, really.) But as a responsible and intelligent person I feel capable of making decisions about my health when given as much relevant information as necessary.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8160865 - 03/18/08 06:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Even if it is safe, I would still limit my alcohol intake while on any type of medication as I value a healthy liver. However, for the most part, the dangers of antibiotics and alcohol interactions are exaggerated. Don't let this fool you into thinking all warnings about interactions with antibiotics are myths. For example, some antibiotics (especially rifampin and to a lesser extent, the commonly prescribed amoxicillin) stop birth control pills from working properly.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: Seuss]
    #8161635 - 03/18/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Fully agreed. :thumbup:


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8161668 - 03/18/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Alcohol + antibiotics may not be dangerous, but it definitely decreases the effectiveness of the medicine.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: xFrockx]
    #8161702 - 03/18/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

As the article states, there don't appear to be any specific pharmacological interaction between antibiotics and alcohol.

However, by itself, alcohol can decrease immune function which is a good reason to abstain from alcohol while sick, antibiotics or not.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol [Re: badchad]
    #8163958 - 03/18/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Fair enough. Whether or not to have a few drinks while on antibiotics is a matter of personal judgement, just like usual. Even when I'm not on meds I question whether or not my body's really up for a night of partying before I choose to go out. What it always comes down to is using ones best judgement and weighing the pros and cons. Last weekend my desire to go out with my total babe of a new lover combined with my new knowledge that previously held beliefs were false and that I felt completely healthy all weighed in strong on the side of drinking. It turns out it was the right choice.


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Re: antibiotics and alcohol (moved) [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8163999 - 03/18/08 08:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This thread was moved from Philosophy & Spirituality.

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