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Re: jesus camp [Re: johnm214]
    #8172751 - 03/20/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: jesus camp *DELETED* [Re: johnm214]
    #8172768 - 03/20/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: jesus camp [Re: johnm214]
    #8173052 - 03/20/08 06:39 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

The last thread in which snowman talked about the 6,000 year old Earth concept (which is supposedly based on adding up the lifespans from Adam and Eve till Jesus [which I have never done myself]), I pointed out that, according to Genesis, Adam and Eve thrived ageless in the garden of Eden for an undisclosed peroid of time (a quadrillion years, perhaps?), so calculating genealogies can't possibly produce a biblical age of the Earth.


On the beginning of Genesis and its use of the word Yom, in 2 Chronicles 21:19, Yom is used with the number 2 before it, and it means 2 years, not 2 days. I think Yom with a number can mean as many different things as Yom can mean without a number (stage, season, month, year etc.), and that in the beginning of Genesis it might ambiguously refer to a first stage, then a second stage, etc (I think this guy seems to be agreeing with that consensus). I never thought about it much, really, I think I just took it to be allegorical.
Also, since in scriptures the Hebraic week is modelled to mimick the pattern of the creation story (6 stages of work/1 stage of rest), and not vice versa, I think there is nothing forcing an interpretation of the beginning of Genesis to be talking about days.

But the Hebrew course I took didn't analyze conflicting interpretations of scripture, it was more like modern language course, intended to teach people to read and write the language (biblical/classical Hebrew, as opposed to modern Hebrew) for themselves. I do have a Hebraic bible, which was used for the class (we only looked at the book Ruth), but I haven't looked at it since then, which was about 5 years ago now.

You might find this site interesting. It will show you the Hebrew or Greek for any section of the bible you want, and then give you a word by word translation to English. If you scroll down, I've looked up 2 Chronicles 21:19, so you can see the translation for it.

There're 6 blue icons next to each verse (KCLIVD). To get the translation for a particular verse, click on the 'C' next to that verse.

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Re: jesus camp [Re: Chemy]
    #8176619 - 03/21/08 04:47 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

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If your interested, read this article, it may surprise you.



I didn't see a link in that post.

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Thanks for the info posted Johnm214:thumbup:







sorry, and now I can't find the excelent article I wanted to post, still this  one discusses the major actors, and touches on the fact that under the majority of church doctrine, their is no sin in stem cell research, or abortion before the limbs have formed to a recognizable state.

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Left it out again...

here's a nice overview:

http://faculty.cua.edu/Pennington/Law111/CatholicHistory.htm

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Re: jesus camp [Re: Disco Cat]
    #8176646 - 03/21/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

It makes me embarrassed to live in Missouri...

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