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OfflineGloopy
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To case or not to case.... That is my question.
    #8149012 - 03/15/08 11:05 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys, I am going through my first grow and walking on eggshells the entire way.

I started out with a print of PRs and Koh Samui; so far I have had very, very little success with the KSs.

The majority of the BRF cakes were taken over by bacillius(sp?) mold, and the remaining two seem to have stalled. I am sure it is because I opened the jars and tried breaking up the mycelium with a coat hanger to get them to speed up faster, but dont worry, I have now learned my lesson.

My PRs however are colonizing 12 1/2pint jars as we speak, though I am a little worried for them. My incubator is just a heat blanket covering a plastic bin (with a lid) and a thermometer. The temperature stays around 78-89degrees F. the majority of the time, but there have been a few times where I came home and the temp reached 100+. In a few of the jars a tiny bit of humidity has built up around the outside of the mycelium (the inside of the jars) but colonization doesnt seem to be stopping; sounds like PRs are really monstrous colonizers(?). Who knows.... Maybe I will run out of luck and these things will stall.

Anyways, I am wondering if, with my luck running as it is, I should go ahead and jump to casings. Its possible that my jars very well could stall, and I cant afford that. Would jumping to casings possibly save my cakes if they showed signs of stalling? If I follow Ryche Hawks 50/50+ casing tek version 3.1 it sounds like everything should go fine with some pretty good results; I should be able to buy all of the exact ingredients down the street at a feed store.

Is this casing method fairly foolproof though? I know no one is safe from contaminants but still.... I would like a decent flush the first round, though in reality, I only need enough for two mouths and about five spore prints (to be safe).

I have a FC (not sure of the volume) with an LED light built into the top, hundreds of small holes drilled into it, with a drip shield, and an 80 and 20gal fish tank pumps fed into it. I also have two large bags of Perlite and a cheap hygrometer bought from the pet store (yes a cheap plastic one.... I cant afford a hopped up one at the moment).

So what do you guys think? I just want some opinions straight from your guys mouth; I have a hard time deciding what I want to eat for breakfast. To case or not to case?

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OfflineMrIzzy11B
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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: Gloopy]
    #8149033 - 03/15/08 11:12 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

wow man you are lucky i had some jars go over 100 and well they all went kaput. if your jars stall try flipping them over it will help with the co2 and AE i had 4 cakes stall flipped them over and they were good. after that it just takes some time bro. one of the hardest things i had to learn is to just leave them the hell alone once you knockem up. dont mess with them. I just started doing the WBS and that seems to be pretty simple check that out for your next endevor.

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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: Gloopy]
    #8149037 - 03/15/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

With your luck I wouldn't case this time. Stop using that heat blanket. Unless your house stays very cold you shouldn't need any extra heat. If your cakes stall I wouldn't open them. Contaminants will eat any leftover BRF. It may be possible that you could scrape off all of the uncolonized parts but it sounds risky. Fruiting in the jar is better than contamination outside the jar.


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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: Mana]
    #8149052 - 03/15/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I learned to not open them the hard way. I was impatient and opened the KS's and now they have Bacillius all over the bottom of them, I think. It could just be the BRF gooing all over the bottoms. I plan on leaving the blanket, but keeping it on it's lowest setting and not touching or even looking at my jars for another week to a week and a half. Maybe even two weeks.

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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: Gloopy]
    #8149077 - 03/15/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

hey if you got a cubord up over your fridge put your jars in a box then rap with a trashbag put them up there i just inoculated 30pf jars a day and a half ago and they are already at about 30-40% it stays warm up there due to the heat of the fridge try that one it will keep you away from that blanket

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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: MrIzzy11B]
    #8151271 - 03/15/08 09:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If you have the extra space available, I'd say go for it.

Was successful with my first set of 8 cakes. Grew out 4 of them and cased the other 4. It went well considering I had zero experience.
Hawks 50/50 yielded wonderful results. Just cooked up a batch of this recipe to use with 10 cakes. Five of the P.E.S.A. strain and five of Penis Envy. The plan is to case all of them, 2.5 cakes per casing in medium sized trays.
Please post a grow log with photos of your results.

Good Luck!


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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: AtrioVent]
    #8152179 - 03/16/08 01:16 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yes casig is hte way to go..use the 50/50+

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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: crazyoutlaw]
    #8152342 - 03/16/08 02:46 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

IMO you should carry on with the cakes you will not get a better result if you case cakes all you are doing is damaging the mycelium which will have to rebuild its self before it takes over the casing layer and you will also be leaving yourself open to contams,you will get no better yeild by casing unless you spawn first to build the strengh of the mycelium and give it more nutrients for the better yeild, so unless your spawning your cakes dont bother it just takes longer.;)


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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: grandesign]
    #8152470 - 03/16/08 06:36 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i would say wait on the casing, only due to lack of trial and error. If you must case them, i sugesst a good old fashioned dunk and roll with 100% verm followed by a misting 30 mins after placing in fc. This will yield better results than just cakes alone and the only sterilizing you need to do is bake the verm prior to using it. A monkey can do this tek and if it works for you, then move on to casings.

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Re: To case or not to case.... That is my question. [Re: SLAG]
    #8152778 - 03/16/08 10:13 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah definatley dunk and roll, didn mention that as i thought it was standard practice with this tek, dont think the baking the verm part is neccesary ive never done it and ive never had a contam yet :smirk:


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