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Wolfgang
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Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip?
#8140429 - 03/13/08 06:43 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Some have said the Mexicana species don't have that imminent doom feeling Cubensis can have and it's an all around better trip. Some have said the same about Psilocybe Cyanescens, Psilocybe Azurescens, Weillii, etc. I'm sure bad trips are still possible but do some species associated with smoother trips lower the chances of a bad trip? What bad/good trips have you guys seen or had on non-cube strains?
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Re: Do some non-cube species lowers the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8140439 - 03/13/08 06:48 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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amanitas are more chill
but da rest i couldn't say fa sho, didn't feel different to me.
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Re: Do some non-cube species lowers the chances of a bad trip? [Re: anyone420]
#8140453 - 03/13/08 07:02 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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anyone420 said: amanitas are more chill
but da rest i couldn't say fa sho, didn't feel different to me.
Hell no they aren't. First of all, if you have a high dose trip you can have delusions which you can't tell apart from reality. That shit never happens on real shrooms.
And to answer the original question, no. A bad trip happens because of your mindset, not the differing alkaloids (unless you think God told you that you're gonna be in hell for eternity like what happened to me on Amanita).
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Re: Do some non-cube species lowers the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Aopocetx]
#8140455 - 03/13/08 07:03 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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done amanitas probly 20 times but think what u want
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Re: Do some non-cube species lowers the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Aopocetx]
#8140466 - 03/13/08 07:13 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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anyone420 said: amanitas are more chill
but da rest i couldn't say fa sho, didn't feel different to me.
Hell no they aren't. First of all, if you have a high dose trip you can have delusions which you can't tell apart from reality. That shit never happens on real shrooms.
And to answer the original question, no. A bad trip happens because of your mindset, not the differing alkaloids (unless you think God told you that you're gonna be in hell for eternity like what happened to me on Amanita).
Not even a little? I realize how important a good mindset is but feeling uncomfortable and paranoid largely due to the species can't help. What species have you experienced?
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anyone420 said: done amanitas probly 20 times but think what u want
I guess this just proves drugs effect everyone differently, I've heard Amanitas can be pretty gay.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8140513 - 03/13/08 07:52 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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A bad trip is much more You and Your Environment than it is the mushroom you eat.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#8141779 - 03/13/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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There's no difference, it's the psilocybin that makes you trip and thats the same in all of em.
Dont even compare amanitas I don't even consider those psychedelics.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: g00ru]
#8141803 - 03/13/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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you not everyone cuz
he asked about non cube mushrooms, amanitas are non cube mushrooms
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: anyone420]
#8141813 - 03/13/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Differing species of psilocybin mushroom contain differing levels of alkaloids. There are, FYI, active alkaloids in mushrooms other than psilocybin/psilocin, such as baeocystin and norbaeocystin. The effects of these alkaloids are unknown, but depending on individual chemistry it is definitely feasible that different species of mushrooms will be more or less likely to give you a bad trip.
Of course, with the proper set and setting, a bad trip shouldn't be an issue on any species of mushroom.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: anyone420]
#8141816 - 03/13/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah so are shitaki mushrooms that doesn't mean that's what were talking about.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: g00ru]
#8141826 - 03/13/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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You have to take the good with the bad...
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Brainiac]
#8141833 - 03/13/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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just cuz you dont consider amanitas psychedelic doesn't mean they arent
you will find plenty of accounts of tripping off of them, therefore they apply
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: anyone420]
#8141836 - 03/13/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Brainiac]
#8141871 - 03/13/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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I've done amanitas. You don't really trip in the same sense. You just get really fucked up and dissociated. I didn't find it fun or useful at all, and from what I've read neither do most people. It's generally assumed that amanitas are a completely different drug and are in no way an alternative to psilocybin mushrooms for similar effects. The OP obviously wanted something with similar effects but without the scary feelings.
To the OP: if you really do get scared when you trip and theres nothing to be done, you could always trip with some Xanax on hand just in case :P
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: g00ru]
#8141901 - 03/13/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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From what I hear Panaeolus Cyanescens are an entirely different trip and do contian psilocybin.
I have never done them but found them on horse dung in the caribean. Because I am a germ-a-phobe I didnt eat them a friend did and I took a print, but sadly I lost it.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: awesomebastard]
#8142019 - 03/13/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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^ It's not... it just has more Psilocybin, thus making it more potent.
And NO<<<<< I wouldn't be telling someone looking for a less confusing/scary trip by telling him or her to trip on Azurescens and Cyan's because HELLO?!!1 they are more potent... unless you get MORE comfortable by getting thrown into the pool other then diving in yourself. LOL, which I doubt for most people who want to trip.
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anyone420 said: done amanita probably 20 times but think what u want
OMG PURE IGNORANCE. NO YOU THINK WHAT YOUUUU WANT AND I'LL TRIP RESPONSIBLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Sorry, but you deny the truth to follow suit on your own idolatry...
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8142034 - 03/13/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Wolfgang said: Some have said the Mexicana species don't have that imminent doom feeling Cubensis can have and it's an all around better trip.
thats absurd.
what's a shroom without a bit of DOOM?
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8142045 - 03/13/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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I dont really find aminitas hallucinagenic but definantly psychedelic, some visauls but more mind fuck kind of like HBWS.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8142057 - 03/13/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Wolfgang said: Some have said the Mexicana species don't have that imminent doom feeling Cubensis can have and it's an all around better trip.
thats absurd.
what's a shroom without a bit of DOOM?
Nothing. I guess that is what people want? Nothing?
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8142650 - 03/13/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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allisthesame said: ^ It's not... it just has more Psilocybin, thus making it more potent.
And NO<<<<< I wouldn't be telling someone looking for a less confusing/scary trip by telling him or her to trip on Azurescens and Cyan's because HELLO?!!1 they are more potent... unless you get MORE comfortable by getting thrown into the pool other then diving in yourself. LOL, which I doubt for most people who want to trip.
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anyone420 said: done amanita probably 20 times but think what u want
OMG PURE IGNORANCE. NO YOU THINK WHAT YOUUUU WANT AND I'LL TRIP RESPONSIBLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Sorry, but you deny the truth to follow suit on your own idolatry...
Why are we arguing here? Because he feels differently than you do on Amanitas? or because he doesn't trip as responsibly as YOU do? What?
I don't see why some shroomers have be so militant about shit.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8143031 - 03/13/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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fuck christ fuck last i checked amanitas don't even contain psilocyn or psilocybin. the psychoactive constituent is muscarin. this thread is goddamned retarded.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143081 - 03/13/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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i like amanitas i trip off amanitas they are more chill than cubes in my experience
they dont contain psilocyn
you still fucking trip
get off my sack shit
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143113 - 03/13/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said: fuck christ fuck last i checked amanitas don't even contain psilocyn or psilocybin. the psychoactive constituent is muscarin. this thread is goddamned retarded.
Who's arguing if Amanitas psilocyn or psilocybin or not?
and what's so retarded about asking people if they have better trips on other species or not? Maybe some people feel more comfortable on certain species. There are species with completely different alkaloid contents than cubensis many report SMOOTHER trip, better taste, potency, etc. I'd like to know what's wrong about asking people if they've encountered bad trips less often.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: anyone420]
#8143121 - 03/13/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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i'm not on your sack nor do i want to be. i'm pointing out pertinent facts.
amanita muscaria contains no psilocyn or psilocybin. neither does lsd or datura or AMT. tripping doesn't require psilocyn or psilocybin. i am not contesting whether or not you are tripping.
i am only providing some level of intelligent discourse. thanks for reminding me why i avoid this forum like the goddamned plague, i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for a WA&F thread that showed me how fucking retarded this thread is.
you'd think people interested in "The Psychedelic Experience" would want to be informed as to what entheogenic compounds they are actually experiencing.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8143132 - 03/13/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Wolfgang said: Who's arguing if Amanitas psilocyn or psilocybin or not?
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guruu said: There's no difference, it's the psilocybin that makes you trip
the thread devolves from there...
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143146 - 03/13/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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What bad/good trips have you guys seen or had on non-cube strains?
he asked, i answered
now your starting some bullshit about active ingredients? this has nothing to do with anything i have posted
avoid this forum more
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143147 - 03/13/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said:
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Wolfgang said: Who's arguing if Amanitas psilocyn or psilocybin or not?
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guruu said: There's no difference, it's the psilocybin that makes you trip
the thread devolves from there...
Don't blame me for that shit a good question gets derailed all the time in this fucking forum, people can't disagree with one another without being complete jerkoffs. This forum is way too much like high school sometimes.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: anyone420]
#8143157 - 03/13/08 08:03 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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i don't recall responding to you.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143162 - 03/13/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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fuck it, my points been made i cant stand this nit picking bullshit im out
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8143163 - 03/13/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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the goal of this site is to provide factual information and to dispel misinformation.
excuse me for furthering the site's stated objectives.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143195 - 03/13/08 08:09 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said: the goal of this site is to provide factual information and to dispel misinformation.
excuse me for furthering the site's stated objectives.
Please show me where it's a fact that no matter what mushroom you eat you are just as likely to have a bad trip.
I realize you're just pointing out that amanitas don't contain psilocybin and shit but don't call my thread retarded because of what someone else says.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8143240 - 03/13/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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you failed logical fallacies class, didn't you.
i never stated "it's a fact that no matter what mushroom you eat you are just as likely to have a bad trip".
i provided 1: factual information in the face of complete idiocy and 2: an opinion on the state of this thread and the forum as a whole
if you want to take that as a reflection on the quality of the posts you create, that would be your personal problem to get over, not mine.
i am only fulfilling my responsibility as a shroomerite to dispel misinformation. whether i salt that objective with personal interjection on the generally abysmal quality of the direction of threads in a certain forum in no way negates the fact that any uneducated reader now has a better understanding of what amanita muscaria is and is not. without this interjection the uneducated reader would have certainly been misinformed.
BTW, OneMoreRobot3021 has already answered your particular question.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143289 - 03/13/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said: you failed logical fallacies class, didn't you.
i never stated "it's a fact that no matter what mushroom you eat you are just as likely to have a bad trip".
i provided 1: factual information in the face of complete idiocy and 2: an opinion on the state of this thread and the forum as a whole
if you want to take that as a reflection on the quality of the posts you create, that would be your personal problem to get over, not mine.
i am only fulfilling my responsibility as a shroomerite to dispel misinformation. whether i salt that objective with personal interjection on the generally abysmal quality of the direction of threads in a certain forum in no way negates the fact that any uneducated reader now has a better understanding of what amanita muscaria is and is not. without this interjection the uneducated reader would have certainly been misinformed.
BTW, OneMoreRobot3021 has already answered your particular question.
I didn't even have read past the first line of this post... you are a God among these Neanderthals. PLEASE keep posting.Quote:
debianlinux said: i'm not on your sack nor do i want to be. i'm pointing out pertinent facts.
amanita muscaria contains no psilocyn or psilocybin. neither does lsd or datura or AMT. tripping doesn't require psilocyn or psilocybin. i am not contesting whether or not you are tripping.
i am only providing some level of intelligent discourse. thanks for reminding me why i avoid this forum like the goddamned plague, i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for a WA&F thread that showed me how fucking retarded this thread is.
you'd think people interested in "The Psychedelic Experience" would want to be informed as to what entheogenic compounds they are actually experiencing.
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allisthesame said: ^ It's not... it just has more Psilocybin, thus making it more potent.
And NO<<<<< I wouldn't be telling someone looking for a less confusing/scary trip by telling him or her to trip on Azurescens and Cyan's because HELLO?!!1 they are more potent... unless you get MORE comfortable by getting thrown into the pool other then diving in yourself. LOL, which I doubt for most people who want to trip.
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anyone420 said: done amanita probably 20 times but think what u want
OMG PURE IGNORANCE. NO YOU THINK WHAT YOUUUU WANT AND I'LL TRIP RESPONSIBLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Sorry, but you deny the truth to follow suit on your own idolatry...
Why are we arguing here? Because he feels differently than you do on Amanitas? or because he doesn't trip as responsibly as YOU do? What?
I don't see why some shroomers have be so militant about shit.
You feel the same way about everything... always judging. I only exclaimed my distaste for his blatent disregard for what Aopocetx said and him going "Well, IIIII did Amanitas 20 times so think what you want" and I stated that it was irresponsible to dictate that Amanitas are the same as Psilocybin Mushrooms when clearly the topic starter wanted variables on PSILOCYBIN or "Magic" mushrooms.
What kind of lunatic fringe BS is this?
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143310 - 03/13/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said: you failed logical fallacies class, didn't you.
i never stated "it's a fact that no matter what mushroom you eat you are just as likely to have a bad trip".
i provided 1: factual information in the face of complete idiocy and 2: an opinion on the state of this thread and the forum as a whole
if you want to take that as a reflection on the quality of the posts you create, that would be your personal problem to get over, not mine.
i am only fulfilling my responsibility as a shroomerite to dispel misinformation. whether i salt that objective with personal interjection on the generally abysmal quality of the direction of threads in a certain forum in no way negates the fact that any uneducated reader now has a better understanding of what amanita muscaria is and is not. without this interjection the uneducated reader would have certainly been misinformed.
BTW, OneMoreRobot3021 has already answered your particular question.
Tchan909 answered it also.
I have no problem with you stating the active contents of it man I have a problem with you saying this thread is retarded when a legit question has been asked.
If you want to call an individual, a particular forum or the DIRECTION a thread is taking retarded whatever but my thread doesn't become stupid just because someone says something not entirely true luckily we have shroomerites like yourself that can help dispel those myths but at the same time we have shroomerites like yourself that condemn an entire thread as stupid when it can still spread accurate information.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8143316 - 03/13/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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No, I think he is saying that the internet in general is stupid and you all are hailed as misguided fools when you try and make posts... go and hang out outside with some friends or something.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8143381 - 03/13/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said: you failed logical fallacies class, didn't you.
i never stated "it's a fact that no matter what mushroom you eat you are just as likely to have a bad trip".
i provided 1: factual information in the face of complete idiocy and 2: an opinion on the state of this thread and the forum as a whole
if you want to take that as a reflection on the quality of the posts you create, that would be your personal problem to get over, not mine.
i am only fulfilling my responsibility as a shroomerite to dispel misinformation. whether i salt that objective with personal interjection on the generally abysmal quality of the direction of threads in a certain forum in no way negates the fact that any uneducated reader now has a better understanding of what amanita muscaria is and is not. without this interjection the uneducated reader would have certainly been misinformed.
BTW, OneMoreRobot3021 has already answered your particular question.
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debianlinux said: i'm not on your sack nor do i want to be. i'm pointing out pertinent facts.
amanita muscaria contains no psilocyn or psilocybin. neither does lsd or datura or AMT. tripping doesn't require psilocyn or psilocybin. i am not contesting whether or not you are tripping.
i am only providing some level of intelligent discourse. thanks for reminding me why i avoid this forum like the goddamned plague, i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for a WA&F thread that showed me how fucking retarded this thread is.
you'd think people interested in "The Psychedelic Experience" would want to be informed as to what entheogenic compounds they are actually experiencing.
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allisthesame said: ^ It's not... it just has more Psilocybin, thus making it more potent.
And NO<<<<< I wouldn't be telling someone looking for a less confusing/scary trip by telling him or her to trip on Azurescens and Cyan's because HELLO?!!1 they are more potent... unless you get MORE comfortable by getting thrown into the pool other then diving in yourself. LOL, which I doubt for most people who want to trip.
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anyone420 said: done amanita probably 20 times but think what u want
OMG PURE IGNORANCE. NO YOU THINK WHAT YOUUUU WANT AND I'LL TRIP RESPONSIBLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Sorry, but you deny the truth to follow suit on your own idolatry...
Why are we arguing here? Because he feels differently than you do on Amanitas? or because he doesn't trip as responsibly as YOU do? What?
I don't see why some shroomers have be so militant about shit.
You feel the same way about everything... always judging. I only exclaimed my distaste for his blatent disregard for what Aopocetx said and him going "Well, IIIII did Amanitas 20 times so think what you want" and I stated that it was irresponsible to dictate that Amanitas are the same as Psilocybin Mushrooms when clearly the topic starter wanted variables on PSILOCYBIN or "Magic" mushrooms.
What kind of lunatic fringe BS is this?
Did he dictate that Amanitas are the same as Psilocybin Mushrooms or did say how things were in his experience? Sometimes it's hard to tell about those things through text.
I think he was just saying Amanitas were chill in HIS experience and although saying "but think want you want" could be interpreted like he's dictating it as fact I don't think that was his intention. I didn't intend for the thread to take this direction.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8143404 - 03/13/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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allisthesame said: No, I think he is saying that the internet in general is stupid and you all are hailed as misguided fools when you try and make posts... go and hang out outside with some friends or something.
What happened to dispelling misinformation and this being the informative age?
I don't think seeking knowledge on the net makes someone a misguided fool there's plenty of good info here, maybe this forum or this website just isn't the best place.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
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The goal of this site is to be the best place. We are the only way that can happen. It is our civic duty. I am not picking on Wolfgang, although he certainly seems to take it this way. I am simply pointing out that anyone looking for valuable information concerning mushrooms should steer clear of this particular thread regardless of the original poster's intent. I sympathize with Wolfgang.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8143436 - 03/13/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said: The goal of this site is to be the best place. We are the only way that can happen. It is our civic duty. I am not picking on Wolfgang, although he certainly seems to take it this way. I am simply pointing out that anyone looking for valuable information concerning mushrooms should steer clear of this particular thread regardless of the original poster's intent. I sympathize with Wolfgang.
This thread has taken a turn for the worse but it's not completely usless maybe they'll see most people think amanitas suck.
No wonder they're legal.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
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There are different mushrooms that provide vastly different effects.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#8143624 - 03/13/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yes- Shitake
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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*Shiitake
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
#8144326 - 03/13/08 11:50 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Shiitake's effects are medicinal though.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8144387 - 03/14/08 12:10 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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This forum is awesome and I love it very much. It teaches me every day. It's one of the best websites on the internet.
But sometimes there is too much ego here. Sort of ironic. Too much unnecessary arguing about silly things and its slightly annoying to see sometimes. But the great posters out weigh the bad. So many people here word their experiences in fascinating ways.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8144410 - 03/14/08 12:19 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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in short... no
otherwise... a bad trip happens becuase of state of being... not becuase of potency... so instead ask yourself... am i in the correct state of mind to be inside of my mind?... if you dont like whats going on in your sober life... your very likely to have a bad trip... and... hows about the ppl your with whilst bemushroomed... do you know these people and this setting well enough to be comfortable whilst bemushroomed... if not dont get bemushroomed... state of being... setting... and those whom you choose to trip around are all extremly important on the outcome
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8144446 - 03/14/08 12:40 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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debianlinux said: The goal of this site is to be the best place. We are the only way that can happen. It is our civic duty. I am not picking on Wolfgang, although he certainly seems to take it this way. I am simply pointing out that anyone looking for valuable information concerning mushrooms should steer clear of this particular thread regardless of the original poster's intent. I sympathize with Wolfgang.
This thread has taken a turn for the worse but it's not completely usless maybe they'll see most people think amanitas suck.
No wonder they're legal.
Why couldn't you just say that at first? Why did you have to out me? I said nothing to you... I mearly concluded along with someone else that his response wouldn't ahve directed to any good experience if was looking for a lower or higher dose because it's not the same drug as what anyone would have thought he was asking about. Miscommunication wasn't at my fault... I simply wasn't able to respond anyway without clearing that up first... the first thing I quoted in the thread was his text cause I had my conjecture with his statement. Then I quoted someone else in truth... cause I could relate to what one was saying and agree that an anwser was told... or wahtever have you.
I never even responded to you directly... sorry... I forgot. I'm an asshole sometimes... like now.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: g00ru]
#8144566 - 03/14/08 01:32 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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guruu said: I've done amanitas. You don't really trip in the same sense. You just get really fucked up and dissociated. I didn't find it fun or useful at all, and from what I've read neither do most people. It's generally assumed that amanitas are a completely different drug and are in no way an alternative to psilocybin mushrooms for similar effects. The OP obviously wanted something with similar effects but without the scary feelings.
To the OP: if you really do get scared when you trip and theres nothing to be done, you could always trip with some Xanax on hand just in case :P
I can handle them fine it's really seeing others not handle them so well that motivates me to see what alkaloids could produce better trips.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8144759 - 03/14/08 03:09 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Way to not respond to me? =(
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
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debianlinux said: The goal of this site is to be the best place. We are the only way that can happen. It is our civic duty. I am not picking on Wolfgang, although he certainly seems to take it this way. I am simply pointing out that anyone looking for valuable information concerning mushrooms should steer clear of this particular threregardless of the original poster's intent. I sympathize with Wolfgang.
This thread has taken a turn for the worse but it's not completely usless maybe they'll see most people think amanitas suck.
No wonder they're legal.
Why couldn't you just say that at first? Why did you have to out me? I said nothing to you... I mearly concluded along with someone else that his response wouldn't ahve directed to any good experience if was looking for a lower or higher dose because it's not the same drug as what anyone would have thought he was asking about. Miscommunication wasn't at my fault... I simply wasn't able to respond anyway without clearing that up first... the first thing I quoted in the thread was his text cause I had my conjecture with his statement. Then I quoted someone else in truth... cause I could relate to what one was saying and agree that an anwser was told... or wahtever have you.
I never even responded to you directly... sorry... I forgot. I'm an asshole sometimes... like now.
I wasn't calling you out or anything you called his statement pure ignorance and I just asked you why you were arguing and if it was because his perception of Amanitas was different than yours. I felt like he was just relating to his own experience with them.
"I wouldn't be telling someone looking for a less confusing/scary trip by telling him or her to trip on Azurescens and Cyan's because HELLO?!!1 they are more potent"
Yes but the alkaloids and tryptamines present are quite different.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8146568 - 03/14/08 04:15 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Really? How so? I'm guessing the beocystin and what have you? I'm really curious as to what makes Azures and Liberty Caps such a different quality.
I called him out for being to the other guy sayign that he had done them twenty times so "think what you want" or in other words "I know better, because my experience with Amanitas is twenty fold bigger then yours blegH"
I don't mean to be rude but it's the internet... I thought HE was being pretty rude, so I told. He didn't have to take it literally... besides just read his posts... First he tries to relate sure... then someone else relates to the topic starter through what 420 said and also happen to disagree with his statement (in a manner of speaking) adn then 420 came back and said that and I quote "I've done Amanitas 20 times but think what you want".
Hmm....? I don't care if it's rude to you to call him out on that and wether or not you think you understood him better then me. Too bad... I thought he wasn't being as far as a jerk... maybe like me?,... but no, more like he was just not liking someone refuting his statement. And it was a bad one I thought too... because Amanitas or so not the Magic Mushrooms to get confused with for a Psilocybian magic Mushooms... Excuse me for making sure someone didn't get the idea that "amanitas are pretty chill and more so then a dose below or above par with your usual of Psilocybin Mushrooms" because for one I disagree that Amanitas are "chill" in any respect and two because it was hard to fit into the context of the question, so I understood that the poster after him (I think)wanted to claify that and then he just didn't want any part of his post it was just like he passed off his own ignorance as being OK for some reason.
Blah... no one should have got disapointed at that... especially on the internet.
Like I bet he outs people all the time adn doesn't even realize it.... so fuck it.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8146581 - 03/14/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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what about if we could grow rubics cubes or hyper cubes that might help
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: thedudenj]
#8146606 - 03/14/08 04:26 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I don't know what you mean. :P LOL!
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8146630 - 03/14/08 04:36 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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The hypercube is a multidimensional digital communication modulation scheme.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: debianlinux]
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Wolfgang said: Who's arguing if Amanitas psilocyn or psilocybin or not?
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guruu said: There's no difference, it's the psilocybin that makes you trip
the thread devolves from there...
dude...completely out of context. I was saying that the psilocybin is what makes you trip in reference to the fact that all shrooms contain it as their active ingredient, therefor different species of shrooms will not produce different trips. So don't be stupid, reading comprehension ftw.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8146798 - 03/14/08 05:15 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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allisthesame said: Really? How so? I'm guessing the beocystin and what have you? I'm really curious as to what makes Azures and Liberty Caps such a different quality.
I called him out for being to the other guy sayign that he had done them twenty times so "think what you want" or in other words "I know better, because my experience with Amanitas is twenty fold bigger then yours blegH" I don't mean to be rude but it's the internet... I thought HE was being pretty rude, so I told. He didn't have to take it literally... besides just read his posts... First he tries to relate sure... then someone else relates to the topic starter through what 420 said and also happen to disagree with his statement (in a manner of speaking) adn then 420 came back and said that and I quote "I've done Amanitas 20 times but think what you want".
Hmm....? I don't care if it's rude to you to call him out on that and wether or not you think you understood him better then me. Too bad... I thought he wasn't being as far as a jerk... maybe like me?,... but no, more like he was just not liking someone refuting his statement. And it was a bad one I thought too... because Amanitas or so not the Magic Mushrooms to get confused with for a Psilocybian magic Mushooms... Excuse me for making sure someone didn't get the idea that "amanitas are pretty chill and more so then a dose below or above par with your usual of Psilocybin Mushrooms" because for one I disagree that Amanitas are "chill" in any respect and two because it was hard to fit into the context of the question, so I understood that the poster after him (I think)wanted to claify that and then he just didn't want any part of his post it was just like he passed off his own ignorance as being OK for some reason.
Blah... no one should have got disapointed at that... especially on the internet.
Like I bet he outs people all the time adn doesn't even realize it.... so fuck it.
That's fine man that's fine... it could definitely be interpreted like he was being pretty rude, even so I don't agree with perpetuating drama (even if someone else started it).
I just felt like his statement was poorly worded and what he actually meant was what he LATER clarified "i like amanitas, i trip off amanitas they are more chill than cubes in my experience"
But what he originally said could definitely be seen interpreted negatively so I can't really blame you for wanting to clear up the truth, I just didn't want any drama to start over it and it did, no hard feelings?
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8146883 - 03/14/08 05:43 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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differnt species like gyms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus
Gymnopilus junonius includes subspecies which contain the hallucinogen psilocybin. Specimens found in the eastern US or Japan is more likely to contain psilocybin than similar mushrooms found in the western part of the US or Europe. [1] In Japan this mushroom is called waraitake, which translates to "laughing mushroom". This mushroom is often mistaken for Gymnopilus ventricosus, which contains no psilocybin.
This mushroom contains bis-noryangonin and hispidine, which are structurally related to alpha-pyrones found in kava
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: Wolfgang]
#8147367 - 03/14/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Wolfgang said: no hard feelings?
Naw... I like the internet for one thing... when you're actually sincere, it shows. I don't hold anything against anyone, though someone might hold something against me.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8147806 - 03/14/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I do think allisthesame is slightly retarded.
Serry.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: yageman]
#8148273 - 03/15/08 01:32 AM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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imminent doom?
anyhow just take a small dose of an opiate beforehand... it took me awhile to learn that. it makes the trip much smoother.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: yageman]
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bargeman said: I do think allisthesame is slightly retarded.
Serry.
I think you're retarded all the same... so it's ok. Thank you for your fake-ass cooperation.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8152390 - 03/16/08 04:10 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Maybe he's mad you basically called us Neanderthals.
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Re: Are there non-cube species that lower the chances of a bad trip? [Re: allisthesame]
#8154199 - 03/16/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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All of us. Not excluding me. Though only I seem to want to admit sometimes.
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