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Yield from Casing vs Cakes
    #8138200 - 03/12/08 06:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If I make a casing out of two cakes, will it yield more dry weight than two pf cakes after all the flushes are finished? I keep my cakes rehydrated so they produce mushrooms until they run out of nutrients. Since both the casing and the two cakes contain the same amount of nutrients, how is it possible that casings produce a higher yield, if they do at all?


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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: NlightNd1]
    #8138266 - 03/12/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If you can get a pinset like hyphae tells you about here in his pinning strategy --> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155#3290155 casing is probably better. I've seen a lot of pics of cased cakes with weak pinsets lately. It's good practice for moving to grains though.


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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: NlightNd1]
    #8138514 - 03/12/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am guessing that cakes are a better way to go if I keep em hydrated. I would think that the excess amount of time it takes for a casing to colonize will hurt the nutrient content.


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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: NlightNd1]
    #8138978 - 03/12/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

you dont have to but ideally you would spawn to something even more nutrient rich (ie. poo/ coir/straw) before casing which adds more nutrients overall and you'll get a better yield when you do case. im working on my first attempt though so i dont wanna mislead you or anything. do whats comfortable and available to you.

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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: Malkoth]
    #8139964 - 03/13/08 12:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If you case with peat or a none nutritious material, the benefit of it is to add more water to the mycelium.
Additionally you increase the pinning area, depending on how wide / deep your tray is.

However, most people (and so do I), use a mixture of coir and verm for casings and since actually all the coir you can get from a garden store is enriched with nutrients, this is also beneficial to the mycelium.

My own experience showed me that I get better results from casings, probably due to the above mentioned reasons.

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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: Fahkface]
    #8140308 - 03/13/08 03:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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However, most people (and so do I), use a mixture of coir and verm for casings and since actually all the coir you can get from a garden store is enriched with nutrients, this is also beneficial to the mycelium.





You get coir from a garden store? Or peat? I've only found coir online and at pet supply stores. I've found peat/verm premix at garden stores, though.

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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: Mepher]
    #8140360 - 03/13/08 05:29 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Here we go again.


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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: Premedman1]
    #8140649 - 03/13/08 09:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry I had to ask this question. I found very similar posts with the search function however I didn't see one that states the cakes are kept rehydrated. I'm just trying to decide if casings are worth it or not because I've had very good results with the straw rehydration tek.


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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: NlightNd1]
    #8140979 - 03/13/08 11:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Why don't you just test it?
It doesn't cost a lot of money and you have nothing to lose. So why don't you give it a shot and try it out?

You'll see for your self if you satisfied :wink:

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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: Fahkface]
    #8141085 - 03/13/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

coir is nutrient rich because of the added nutrients when you buy at a garden store????

if true, isn't it safe to say that goes for gardenstore bought peat to?
peat is used for enriching your garden soil normally, so I'dd guess it is nutrient rich


NlightNd1's question is something I wonder about to
I'm just going to harvest my first casing, with doubtfull result... (more to do with my lack of experience), but I was thinking what if just dunked and rolled the cake????

What I see al lot, is people that treat there cakes good. Will get a nice first flush a bigger second one and then a reasonable 3th, many times a small 4th and 5th

But when cased, so not spawning to bulk or using poo, but plain and simple coir or peat mixed with vermiculite.
Huge first flush and disappointing following flushes IF there are any following flushes.
In theory it should be better because of extra nutrients


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Re: Yield from Casing vs Cakes [Re: ikkes]
    #8141298 - 03/13/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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coir is nutrient rich because of the added nutrients when you buy at a garden store????

if true, isn't it safe to say that goes for gardenstore bought peat to?
peat is used for enriching your garden soil normally, so I'dd guess it is nutrient rich




Since coir is advertised and used as an space saving alternative for normal flower soil (when still dry and pressed), there are nutrients added, yes.

I wouldn't want to say that it's done by every producer, but by most.

And yes, peat is probably enriched with nutes as well.
I don't know though, I've never used it...

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