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1onemind1
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Why bother fruiting mushrooms?
#8135911 - 03/12/08 08:42 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello,
If someone lived in a country where growing psilocybin was legal and wanted to use some once per month, would the following tek be beter than messing around with humidity levels and perlite in a fruiting chamber?
http://www.shroomery.org/64/The-Foolproof-Psilocybe-Cubensis-Mycelial-Culture-Technique
I didnt realize that mycelium contained psilocybin. Doing it this way obviously produces less yeilds than 3 or 4 flushes of fruit but if you only wanted 12 hits per year then you would only need to produce 3 jars at a time, 4 times a year.
Does this really work?
What are potential drawbacks to this method? Is there a risk of drinking contaminants that are in the jar?
Thanks for any info
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8135914 - 03/12/08 08:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Which tek?
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8135918 - 03/12/08 08:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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read more books
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Anno]
#8135920 - 03/12/08 08:45 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8135928 - 03/12/08 08:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i guess the benefit would be that u can colonize bulks suibstrates and get more end product.... he's using 7 jars for 14 doses(if i read correctly) 7 jars will colonize poo in bulk and produce somewhere in the range of 50 to 100 doses
im not knocking it... it seems like a nice experiment
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8135929 - 03/12/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, yes, mycelium does contain psilocybin, but far less than the fruiting bodies. "Your" tek works though.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8135947 - 03/12/08 09:03 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Anno]
#8135954 - 03/12/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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by the way.... anno its nice to see ya.
it would be cool to do some cyan, pan or azure mycelium. always wanted to try those. but was afraid i couldn't get them to fruit
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#8135980 - 03/12/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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seems like less work to let it sit and fruit and get way more out of it.
i guess patience TRULY IS a virtue!
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: jeetered]
#8136052 - 03/12/08 09:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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True 
I just figured it is a way for cheap asses to get a trip without buying perlite, fruiting chamber, thermostat and heater etc etc. Also, it would be easier to conceal, less likely to get caught if you need to do it on the sly and its quick and clean with a nice glass of cranaberry juice. 
I might drink one of my jars while the other 5 go into the fruiting chamber and compare the results.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8136224 - 03/12/08 10:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fruiting invitro gives you mushrooms without a fruiting chamber, perlite etc.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Mana]
#8136430 - 03/12/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Beside the fact that mycelium -as Anno already said- contains WAY less active alkaloids, it's just a pretty gross thing to do, to eat the whole substrate...
Imagining to grow a bulk tub (straw and SHIT) and eating this.. Sorry, but I prefer fruits over this.
Besides, it's WAY more fun to grow fruits than it is to grow mycelium... For me and I guess for MOST of the people in here, this hobby ain't about having mushrooms to consume all the time, but for the fun of growing them.
It's like Lego. Everyone loves to to plug it together but no one actually plays with it...
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8136458 - 03/12/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you want to fruit in vitro, look into Mexicana A strain, Tampanensis... Atlantis or Jalisco. All these strains (none of 'em are cubes) can be grown on grain, in vitro. Philosopher's stones are the way to go.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Rose]
#8137284 - 03/12/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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or do poo bags
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: jeetered]
#8137773 - 03/12/08 04:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't want to high-jack this thread, so I created a new one. But I remember reading something close to this, but more detailed many years ago in Adam Gottlieb's book Psilocybin Production. I've gone ahead and transfered the pages of the book that discussed the method to the internet.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8137814 - 03/12/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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the mycelium has to reach the fruiting stage anyways to have a decent concentration of alkaloids anyways. You might as well fruit them. Besides their beautiful! Who wouldn't want too.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8137827 - 03/12/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suggest people stop F'n around with this (or PM each other) cause if the FDA can prove that myc contains an adequate amount of psylocibin, then this hobbie might just get much harder!!!
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Cheesekiller]
#8137847 - 03/12/08 04:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cheesekiller said: I suggest people stop F'n around with this (or PM each other) cause if the FDA can prove that myc contains an adequate amount of psylocibin, then this hobbie might just get much harder!!!
-CK
I apologize, I didn't realize this was such a touchy issue. If people feel this way feel free to close the thread I just made.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: C20H25N3O]
#8138260 - 03/12/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I doubt it is that big of a deal. But anyway, have you ever considered doing one polyfill monotub? Do it once dry and save. You could have enough for a long time.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: ScavengerType]
#8138342 - 03/12/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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So if you live in a place where growing psychoactive mushrooms is legal....Why do you need to do this on the sly? And to be THAT desperate to trip points to other problems.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: ScavengerType]
#8138516 - 03/12/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said: I doubt it is that big of a deal. But anyway, have you ever considered doing one polyfill monotub? Do it once dry and save. You could have enough for a long time.
This is exactly what I'm in the process of doing--setting up a monotub. I just wanted to add to this discussion something that held interest to me.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Cheesekiller]
#8138597 - 03/12/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cheesekiller said: I suggest people stop F'n around with this (or PM each other) cause if the FDA can prove that myc contains an adequate amount of psylocibin, then this hobbie might just get much harder!!!
-CK
They already know. Thats why nobody ships myc.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Cheesekiller]
#8138872 - 03/12/08 08:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cheesekiller said: I suggest people stop F'n around with this (or PM each other) cause if the FDA can prove that myc contains an adequate amount of psylocibin, then this hobbie might just get much harder!!!
-CK
they do already know, this is why tissue cultures are not legal to send via snail mail.
The only reason SPORES are legal, is because they themselves do NOT contain any actives.
pz.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: MayorMcCheese]
#8138881 - 03/12/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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So if you live in a place where growing psychoactive mushrooms is legal....Why do you need to do this on the sly?
Because mother inlaws, girlfriends, parents, sisters, brothers, bosses etc etc might have an issue with drug use whether it is legal or not. Drugs have a stigma no matter where you are..
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8139009 - 03/12/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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just listen to what I said a one time monotub grow is probibly what your looking for and the only materials aside from jars and substrate(s) would be a tote (possibly a light if you needed) and polyfill. I think your being paranoid, how are those people supposed to find out about it? Frankly teenagers do this in their parents houses often hiding it from them, usually in a closet or under a bed. It's more likely that those people would run into you when you were high and find out. In the long run I think it would be easier to cultivate once and hide the dried fruits than to hide these bizarre cakes all the time.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#8139042 - 03/12/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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well if you're going to be eating bulk substrate, it prolly really will taste like horse shit
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: anarchOi]
#8139238 - 03/12/08 09:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lol. It's a pretty safe bet he'd want to use organic rye grains.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: ScavengerType]
#8139910 - 03/12/08 11:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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cultivate once and hide the dried fruits than to hide these bizarre cakes all the time.
Maybe, but i figured having 2 jam jars in a dark place would be essentially invisibe. You could store them in a shoebox, under clothes in a draw or wherever.
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well if you're going to be eating bulk substrate, it prolly really will taste like horse shit
You dont eat the substrate, you seperate the mycelium from the rye with acid (vitamin c) and drink it in a nice glass of juice with no bad taste. It would be sweet i tell ya 
The substrate gets left behind.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8139985 - 03/13/08 12:16 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you do what you're suggesting with vitamin C you are not going to have a typical shroom trip. You are going to concentrate all the effects into a short time and end up writhing on the floor like you're on DMT.
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Why do you say that?
The active ingredient is psilocybin, whether you get it from a shroom or mycelium, the trip is the same. The psilocybin doesnt get concentrated or miraculously turn into another substance like dmt.
You could easily just get some mushrooms, blend them and mix them with cranberry juice and vitamin c and it would be the same thing. Psilocybin either way, there would be no change. Obviously you are missing out on other possible alkaloids that may be found in fruit but according to most trip reports the mycelium trip is similar, if not identical to shrooms themselves.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8140230 - 03/13/08 02:14 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I brought up a similar process to this a while back... the psilocybin production via LCs from Robert Gottleib's book. Several veteran posters came and quickly explained why this doesn't work... like a gallon of heavy LC ended up with as much active stuff (don't talk about psilocin vs psilocybin they both are active) as like ONE FRUITING BODY. That whole procedure is utter bullshit. I don't know how he got a book published about it. Can someone actually verify that the procedure being discussed here is anymore legit? After making all my plans around doing Gottleib's setup, I did a lot of reading looking for something to try and convince myself that it was somehow still legit, and it just wasn't.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8140285 - 03/13/08 03:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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1onemind1 said: I just figured it is a way for cheap asses to get a trip without buying perlite, fruiting chamber, thermostat and heater etc etc. Also, it would be easier to conceal,
I remember seeing the linked tek a few years a go, and it is definitely an interesting, different way to do things. Nice idea, really, and especially easy to conceal (though if you have to worry that much, you probably shouldn't be growing this junk anyway). I like the idea though, and I may sacrifice a jar just for the heck of it and try it, at some point.
But you can fruit mushrooms without an major outlay of cash for a nice fruiting chamber, perlite, a heater or any sort of thermostat. Using stores local to me, you could buy an adjustable spray bottle for $1, get a small foam cooler or sterlite tub for $4, cut a whole in the top to let light in for free, fill the bottle with tap water (virtually free, or you can probably get someone to donate a quart of water if you ask), and use any sort of clear plastic to cover the hole you cut (or spend $1 for some cheap plastic film). Sunlight or any sort of small lamp you might have on hand = no additional expense.
Total cost, above any initial outlay for spores, substrate, and jars/whatever = about $5, for a minimalistic but usable and effective setup. $4 for an 8-quart bag of perlite (taht's plenty for multiple small-scale grows) is hardly extravagant. Room temperature is fine, for the most part; incubate near a water heater or on top of a refrigerator, and fruit some place 10-20 degrees cooler, if you can. You could even buy perlite, a cheap fruiting chamber, casing material, and some sort of tray or pan to case in for like $15. Definitely worth it, and very easy. The shrooms you harvest and dry will last even longer than unfruited jars, most likely, and provide a lot more.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: jonogt]
#8140290 - 03/13/08 03:38 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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jonogt said: Can someone actually verify that the procedure being discussed here is anymore legit?
I understand your skepticism. However, if you grow the mycelium out into a quart of rye substrate, you will have a hell of a lot more of it than you are likely to get in a really large jar of LC. I think the myc is well known to have some active content to it, but far less than mushies. So if you get enough myc (half a fully-colonized quart seems like a lot tome), it makes perfect sense that you could trip this way. I don't claim to have tried it, but it sounds legitimate.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Mepher]
#8140461 - 03/13/08 07:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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So-called 'teks' to get actives from mycelium are bunk. They're not worth the time and effort, when for an extra week of work, you could have an exponential increase in product. Grow mushrooms. It isn't that hard. RR
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8140506 - 03/13/08 07:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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exponential increase in product. Grow mushrooms. It isn't that hard.
and to add... If you had 100 qt jars, with 200lbs of grain, at 20 cents a pound, it would 40-50$ ish (not including jars at 10$ per 12, so add 80$ish?
If you instead spawned 25qt jars to 100qts of verm you could get 4x more bio mass per jar, PER FLUSH. (Have the people that insist myco-farmin is viable even had multiple flushes? Excluding all the varables, this is one that would win all)
Hands down- like RR said, its exponential- you can get more of your "drugs" from 1lbs of fruit versus 1lbs colonized LC/grains/whatever, anyday, anytime, and ten times fold.
People that belive this is a more viable way to accumulate alkaloids- have never seen the joy of the end game.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: Civ]
#8142908 - 03/13/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont think anyone is debating that fruiting gives you more psilo than myc but not eveyone wants to have a shit load of shrooms lying around the house.
If your goal was one trip per month then 1 jar is all you would need and an investment of 10 minutes a monnth to fill it up with rye.
If this works it will be my preffered tek.
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: 1onemind1]
#8143447 - 03/13/08 08:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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The stfu and do it already. Get back to us with "results"
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Re: Why bother fruiting mushrooms? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#8144329 - 03/13/08 11:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting on my spores
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