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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8131495 - 03/11/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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That may be the only time we ever agree.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: dill705]
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Eh, I think your a little of base blaming the repubs, lonestar had some (i hate to admit it) good numbers and the dems could have raised hell in Florida and got the public involved, buiut still, most people don't like that Iowa and N.H. get there dicks sucked every 4 years.
When is it our turn for some action, huh?
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Today there are 14 Democratic State Senators and 42 Democratic State Representatives.
There are 26 Republican state senators and 78 state republicans. Before the bill passed, they got a few "democrats" to jump on.
115-1.
Then 118-0 on the final draft.
how is that " a few democrats"???
whatever i give up. Maybe the Democrats should Sue the republicans!
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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That is exactly my point in saying it's not my fault that my states delegates fro taken away, the average joe probably didn't even know about the earlier primary until after it had passed.
There is much to be desired in Michigans news media...
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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whatever i give up. Maybe the Democrats should Sue the republicans!
No, but to say that this is the democrats fault in Florida is disingenuous. And you want to blame the democrats?
i never once blamed the democrats.
do you understand that?
only YOU blamed the Republicans.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: dill705]
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I just can't believe that I'm not hearing anyone in the news media deride the respective state parties for allowing this to happen after they signed agreements that allowed Nevada and South Carolina primaries to occur early enough to balance out the disproportionality of IA and NH with the more diverse racial and socioeconomic populations in NV and SC.
Nevermind the fact that NO ONE seems to be mentioning the fact that Obama wasn't even on the MI ballot in the MSM.
WHAT FUCKING SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO SEAT THOSE DELEGATES!?
People broke the rules and purposely disenfranchised their entire state voting block. It sounds like a sound look at who those people are is in order.
That being said, the coverage on this shit is so unbalanced and incomplete that it sickens me.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: afoaf]
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i forgot all about that.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: lonestar2004]
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Yeah, that's interesting.
Did all the states have to agree on th emove up for S.C. and Nevada?
If so, FUCK MI and FL
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: dill705]
#8136213 - 03/12/08 10:33 AM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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yes, it was a nationally sanctioned decision.
MI and FL decided to break the rules and in the process fucked themselves and their states.
they do not get a do-over.
and they don't get to blame anyone for disenfranchisement except themselves.
they knew the penalty for running early.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: afoaf]
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Man, we all know they probably will get a do-over if the money can be found.
Hillary will take it to court and win because some conservative judge will think she'll have a better chance of winning the nomination and then losing to McCain.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
#8136860 - 03/12/08 12:57 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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I think open primaries should be done away with.
if you can't do a little due diligence, determine your candidate and re-register (if necessary) before the election then you're a fucking moron and don't deserve to vote anywho.
all these republicans voting for hillary is election sabotage, imo.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: afoaf]
#8136887 - 03/12/08 01:03 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Yeah, forcing a re-register is a good idea.
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Re: Michigan and Florida, your opinions? [Re: lonestar2004]
#8139367 - 03/12/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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No F'ing re-vote. Seriously the rules are the rules. Both states knew the rules, and decided to ignore them. The fact of the matter is that we might piss off all the people in FL and MI and they might turn out for republicans more. A travesty to be sure. If we have a re-vote, and lets say that Clinton wins both the states and takes the nomination, then every Obama fan like me is going to be irate about having another election stolen from them. Where normally I might just vote Clinton in the general election because she too is a good candidate, all the sudden I might just vote for a goldfish cracker, because I don't vote for people who steal elections, and I sure as hell am not going to vote for the third reincarnation of John McCain. Then the Dem's would loose.
The Democrats want to win FL and MI to be sure, they certainly don't want to disenfranchise their voter blocks. Quite frankly thats why they set up these rules in the first place.
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