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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi] * 1
    #8136288 - 03/12/08 10:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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think about how gay you guys are

you're on the internet, on possibly the furthest corner of the planet because this is SUPER DUPER SECRET

and you're all like I AM HARDCORE BECAUSE I HAVE THESE INCRIMINATING PICTUREZ!




hahahahah, you should take your own advice

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: shroober]
    #8136304 - 03/12/08 10:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i found those on google >.>

anyway, if you want to beef up your coir (literally)
i would suggest cow poo and verm for the easiest

and if you wanna get to it, i might suggest tinkering with blood meal and bone meal
you'll need to do some pH testing though


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
    #8137255 - 03/12/08 02:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

grind your bones and put them in my coir?

ok... /me gets out bone saw.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
    #8148690 - 03/15/08 08:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

o yeah.. and about me growing weak ass shrooms.. you DID NOT read through here, because if you did, you would see I said 30 grams WET.. not DRY.... and Im sorry.. all my friends get their dicks knocked in the dirt after eating 20 wet grams of mine... so yeah...

and yeah... I just got a SAVAGE flush just like I always do using 100% verm for my casings.. for the last time... THIS IS WHAT IS USE, AND IT WORKS GREAT.. im not doubting other methods, but as I have stated MULTI times, 100% verm in THE DEF. OF A CASING.. end of story... its what I use, and thats it...

and alot of you are just spouting off info that is not true... you are right, man... wwwaaaayyyy too much misinformation getting spread on this thread... can I have it locked? lol

soooo yeah... when every one is done waving their weeners everywhere, lets talk about the qp I just pulled off of 100% coir and 100% verm casing... it was 4 casings, and I got a oz off of each one.. I added another casing at the last minute... but yeah.. here goes the experiment:

Im going to take these casings and dunk them for a 2nd flush... im going to boil a bunch of spent coffee grounds and let the water cool, and dunk all 4 casings in the coffee water and see if I can get more nutes replenished in there.. why not? if they are out of nutes, then the next flush will suck like before, and they will get tossed anyway... THAT IS WHY I AM DOING AN EXPERIMENT LIKE THIS.. DO NOT START FLAMING BECAUSE YOU SAY IT WONT WORK.. ITS AN EEXXXPPPEERRRIIIMMMEEENNNTTTT.....

Hopefully we shall see some good results.. another fat flush, and good potency as well... **crosses fingers**

it doesnt really matter though if it does or not, as I just bought a pc and some wbs so I can start making wbs spawn again... my personal favorite.. hehehe... so now it wont be too long before the next one...

wish me luck, and I will post the results...

again.. if you have nothing constructive to say on the matter, then pm it to that person.. dont post it.. constructive criticism only

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8148698 - 03/15/08 08:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

AND FOR THE LAST TIME... NUTES DO NOT AFFECT PEAK POTENCY!! LACK OF NUTES DOES!!

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8148699 - 03/15/08 08:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck, keep up the hard work.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: shevanel]
    #8148713 - 03/15/08 08:49 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

thanks.. Im hella diggin coir.. its one of the best subs I have ever used, and the 1st flush on this is unreal.. huge fruits, strong (they are an iso), and the grow fully mature in about 7 days... im for sure doing a 5050 or so mix of coir and coffee.. I know that will help for at least three flushes... 2 would make me 100% satisfied.. that would make, based on this time, about 8 oz's dry, over 2 flushes, in 2 weeks, from start of pinning to pulling the 2nd flush... that is just wonderful.. haha

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8148724 - 03/15/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe you can give me some tips on my invitro bag c/c/v I posted a thread

I got a little frustrated with coir.. with getting it to f-cap. I started adding verm and it seems to be colonizing better on the new bags I made.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: shevanel]
    #8148731 - 03/15/08 08:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Chill the fuck out everyone. What's with all this noob talk of substrate vs potency anyway??? Experienced growers have noted for years that multispore grows will have potency that is all over board, from none to extreme, regardless of substrate, strain, or growing conditions.

Nutes are for plants. Blood meal and bone meal are PLANT foods. Prior to arguing, please learn the difference between fungi and plants. This is like trying to argue that your car tire went flat because you're late for an oil change.
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8148870 - 03/15/08 09:57 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Chill the fuck out everyone. What's with all this noob talk of substrate vs potency anyway??? Experienced growers have noted for years that multispore grows will have potency that is all over board, from none to extreme, regardless of substrate, strain, or growing conditions.

Nutes are for plants. Blood meal and bone meal are PLANT foods. Prior to arguing, please learn the difference between fungi and plants. This is like trying to argue that your car tire went flat because you're late for an oil change.
RR




My oil light came on after a rotate and balance, wtf?

it's about (n) not nutes. And again RR, i disagree, if nutrition wasn't needed, then why aren't we growing on styrofoam? (other then it doesn't decompose, considering fungi is a secondary decomposer)

I think the word "nutrition" is being used for lack of a better word for something like "Poop takes longer to decompose then coir".. it's not nutrion, it's "degradable materials"

i just can't think of a word for it.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: shevanel]
    #8148875 - 03/15/08 10:01 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe you can give me some tips on my invitro bag c/c/v I posted a thread

I got a little frustrated with coir.. with getting it to f-cap. I started adding verm and it seems to be colonizing better on the new bags I made.




coir bags and monotub:








(no casing layer on tub but verm mixed into coir with plenty of coffee, malt, karo, verm, calc carb, etc.. even boiled down non alc beer) (plenty of (N)% )

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8149897 - 03/15/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Nutes are for plants. Blood meal and bone meal are PLANT foods. Prior to arguing, please learn the difference between fungi and plants. This is like trying to argue that your car tire went flat because you're late for an oil change.
RR




Blood meal and Bone meal both contain high levels of nitrogen, making them a great additive to any substrate if you're trying to up the nitrogren

Might i remind you that manure is more of a plant food than it is a fungi food
Isn't that why we pretend we're gardeners looking for fertilizer?

Are you saying that mushrooms don't need nutrients? i don't understand... Why don't we just grow on shredded cardboard?

Have you never heard of oyster mushrooms killing nematoads and grubs for their source of nitrogen?

Bone meal doesn't have nearly as much nitrogen as Blood meal, but Bone Meal contains high levels of phosphorus,
i mean maybe i'm crazy, but since mushrooms contain such high levels of phosphorus, seems like it would aid growth.

No offense, but i think it's more like saying your tire went flat cuz you hit the pothole, when really it just knocked the nail out of your tire.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
    #8152587 - 03/16/08 08:17 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Manure is not a plant food. Plants have no direct use for manure. Manure feeds the soil, and then organisms in the soil, such as fungi break it down, creating 'plant food'. Blood and bone meal also have no benefit to fungi in my experience. I still fail to see why we'd want to increase the nitrogen levels of a substrate such as manure or coir, which perform exactly the same whether blood meal is added or not. People still seem to think mycelium is some sort of plant that needs to be 'fertilized', when in reality mycelium creates fertilizer from manure, coir, newspapers, cardboard, etc.
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
    #8152641 - 03/16/08 08:51 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

dude jeet post ur tek.

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coir bags and monotub:








(no casing layer on tub but verm mixed into coir with plenty of coffee, malt, karo, verm, calc carb, etc.. even boiled down non alc beer) (plenty of (N)% )



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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: smokedout420]
    #8152713 - 03/16/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i just figured you'd assume it was composted manure which plants do have direct use for

i'm not trying to say that fungi is a plant
i'm just trying to say that we should look down on anything we know is "plant food" because of some ridiculous idea that they can't possibly eat the same things



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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
    #8152841 - 03/16/08 10:40 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

again, terms are being used loosely..

anything that consumes something is consuming "nutrients"

even fungi consumes..

as far as posting teks, im done with that..

im still awaiting RR to back up the statements that my "grows and teks" are shit, and simply waterlogged fruits..

lollerpops.

Recent COIR experiences:

some monsters on the coir bag, in a clump. (5th flush)






and i used to SLAM coir and say it was worthless as a substrate, and it was more of a casing layer,

NOW, i say "it's worthless as a casing layer, because it's a substrate. LOLLERPOPS x 2



day 4:




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