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jeetered
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
#8131952 - 03/11/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah my poo shrooms r way more potent. but still, my coir shrooms r the diggity too. but i add a lot of (N)
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blood4blood
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
#8131999 - 03/11/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc uses coir for a casing layer all the time and you cant debate the sucess of his grows.
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: blood4blood]
#8132014 - 03/11/08 02:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Once again. It's just moisture related.
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8132016 - 03/11/08 02:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can do 100% casing of coir but you'd have to watch it carefully and make sure it doesn't overlap it. What's the point of a casing if it gets colonized anyways?
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8132027 - 03/11/08 02:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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dont let it colonize. i dont. after my sub is 110% colonized i apply a casing layer and it goes directly into fruiting. myc only pokes through just a little bit right when the flush comes in.
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: blood4blood]
#8132031 - 03/11/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some nutrients specifically formulated for coco tend to have elevated levels of calcium and magnesium while having lower levels of nitrogen.
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8132060 - 03/11/08 02:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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dumbfounded, you seem to know so much about coir, have you ever even used it?
regardless of what you say coir has proven to create astonishing results time after time. its recommended to mix it with a supplement such as coffee or blood meal or compost but it is a valuable substrate ingredient especially for those that don't have access to horse poo.
have you ever actually cultivated mushrooms?
here's my experience using coir with cow manure (another substrate some say to be lacking)
Edited by shroober (03/11/08 02:18 PM)
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: shroober]
#8132329 - 03/11/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cow manure has more nutrition then horse manure and coir. I'm not doubting coir. I'm just saying, same thing with straw, the only reason people use it it's because of it's moisture capacity.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8132643 - 03/11/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats false. the only reason i use straw is for potency.. the shrooms grow fine with the poo....
know one has any solid facts about the potency some people say its genetic and only genetic but i assure u that is not true... im not a freakin scientist or anything but what i do know is that ive eaten the fruits on many different substrates and many different setups fae and all..... these are the factors that come into play though... light, temperature, genetics,substrate, fae,it has to do with all of these things.. not just one.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8132683 - 03/11/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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dumbfounded1600 said: You can do 100% casing of coir but you'd have to watch it carefully and make sure it doesn't overlap it. What's the point of a casing if it gets colonized anyways?
overlay should be the last thing on ur mind... been on these boards for awhile now and only seen real cases maybe a few times and the grower normally still got a decent flush....
the point of the casing is to produce a nice pinset so ur flush will come up all at once and also to provide moisture through the flush
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#8133543 - 03/11/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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preschooler said: thats false. the only reason i use straw is for potency.. the shrooms grow fine with the poo....
know one has any solid facts about the potency some people say its genetic and only genetic but i assure u that is not true... im not a freakin scientist or anything but what i do know is that ive eaten the fruits on many different substrates and many different setups fae and all..... these are the factors that come into play though... light, temperature, genetics,substrate, fae,it has to do with all of these things.. not just one.
Please. Straw contains half of what nutrition of manure. The only reason why people use straw is for moisture, that's why they grow so giant. You are right, once the mushroom grows. The actives grow and stretch out, but it doesn't grow at all. You can have a 20 mg of actives in a 30g mushroom, as it gets bigger it's gets to 60g. You'll still only have 20mg of actives.
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8135896 - 03/12/08 08:34 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread is full of so much miss information it's pathetic
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
#8135940 - 03/12/08 08:59 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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jeetered said: This thread is full of so much miss information it's pathetic
thats why you should post ur tek
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: smokedout420]
#8136074 - 03/12/08 09:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Please. Jeetered is one of the sadest bulk cultivators in here. He only is liked because of his moisture related yields. No scientific backing, only what works for him. He downs RR so much when RR shits on his teks.
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jeetered
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8136182 - 03/12/08 10:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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dumbfounded you're an idiot.. why r u flaming, i've pulled your body weight ten times over in dry fruits.. so stfu. Water laden shrooms? I hardly doubt it.
You shouldn't speak for people, I ask that RogerRabbit come here and say "Jeetered, I SHIT ON YOUR TEKS and GROWS !"" so it comes out of HIS MOUTH, not yours,
again, miss information. You should be muzzled.
Do these look "water laden"








dumbfounded your gallery is pretty weak, back your claims up dude.
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: shroober]
#8136215 - 03/12/08 10:34 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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shroober said: dumbfounded, you seem to know so much about coir, have you ever even used it?
regardless of what you say coir has proven to create astonishing results time after time. its recommended to mix it with a supplement such as coffee or blood meal or compost but it is a valuable substrate ingredient especially for those that don't have access to horse poo.
have you ever actually cultivated mushrooms?
here's my experience using coir with cow manure (another substrate some say to be lacking)
yeah mixing coir and hpoo rocks the boat too man. cow manure is my next thing to try, all my attempts at cow manure have been a muddy MESS!!!!
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
#8136252 - 03/12/08 10:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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think about how gay you guys are
you're on the internet, on possibly the furthest corner of the planet because this is SUPER DUPER SECRET
and you're all like I AM HARDCORE BECAUSE I HAVE THESE INCRIMINATING PICTUREZ!
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
#8136259 - 03/12/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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anarchOi said: think about how gay you guys are
you're on the internet, on possibly the furthest corner of the planet because this is SUPER DUPER SECRET
and you're all like I AM HARDCORE BECAUSE I HAVE THESE INCRIMINATING PICTUREZ!
then we jerk it to porn and suck on our jenkem straws and then play WOW!!!!!
LIKE OMFG!
how gay r u
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
#8136271 - 03/12/08 10:48 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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jeetered said:
yeah mixing coir and hpoo rocks the boat too man. cow manure is my next thing to try, all my attempts at cow manure have been a muddy MESS!!!!
i had that same issue at first too, lots of verm will fix that though, especially if you are mixing the cow poo with something like coir or straw
lately i've been using straw/poo as opposed to coir/poo because its much cheaper, still waiting on results though so im not sure if i will stick with it yet
sorry for hijacking this thread
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
#8136277 - 03/12/08 10:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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jeetered said:
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shroober said: dumbfounded, you seem to know so much about coir, have you ever even used it?
regardless of what you say coir has proven to create astonishing results time after time. its recommended to mix it with a supplement such as coffee or blood meal or compost but it is a valuable substrate ingredient especially for those that don't have access to horse poo.
have you ever actually cultivated mushrooms?
here's my experience using coir with cow manure (another substrate some say to be lacking)
yeah mixing coir and hpoo rocks the boat too man. cow manure is my next thing to try, all my attempts at cow manure have been a muddy MESS!!!!
why a muddy mess?
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