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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
    #8131301 - 03/11/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

if you think growth of a mushrooms and potency of mushrooms are completley genetic... u need to lay off the weed.... hell you just experienced it first hand

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8131307 - 03/11/08 11:01 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

no.. basically I lay the casing on the sub, and incubate for 1 day.. then I set it in the fruiting chamber.. in this case, a martha...

the majority of the pins form INSIDE the casing layer... you wont see them until they poke out... the formation of hyphal knots and primordia is all done within the casing, then once they are starting to mature, they start growing out... that is one of the way you get a great pinset... it also helps protect the primordia from any big drips that come off of anything..

in my opinion, if you have to patch the casing to cover the myc, its been colonized too much.. again, many will argue this point, but this is my experience...

but nevertheless, your casing layer should be bbaarrreeelly colonized, if that, and pins should mostly form within the casing layer.. not on it..

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8131320 - 03/11/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

wow.. you so didnt listen to what I just said..

nutes wont make the strength go up in a particular sub strain (as in an isolate, like I have).. but if they lack the nutes that myc used in the first flush to make the same potency, then they wont do it again.. adding hella nutes to your sub DOES NOT increase potency in any SUB STRAIN.. it is 100% genetic how strong they get, and its all about nutes when they loose it on the second flush...

I am a very experienced grower, and you are asking ME questions, and you just dont like the answers that I am giving you.. dont ask me if you do not like what answer I give you.. and I love weed... haha

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8131325 - 03/11/08 11:06 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

ive used 100% verm and it was real blotchy on the pinset back in the old rez effect days. thats what the tek called for though ...just to throw it in the fc after you put it all together. was really happy with the results but the pinset wasn't fantastic.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8131335 - 03/11/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

lol rez effect...

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8131345 - 03/11/08 11:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yeah.. its just like LC.. it just takes time to learn how to lay it out and give it the right moisture to carry it through the 1st flush.. its just like with anything.. It just takes a while to learn how and when to moisten the casing layer this way.. again.. that is why so many cats add moss to verm for casing, because it changes color slightly when try, indicating that it needs to be misted.. thats all its for...

It works great for me, but I have also perfected this tek over the years, so yeah...

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8131351 - 03/11/08 11:10 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I could swear I saw a thread a few weeks ago debating about that shit too... damn.. dated info is funny..

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8131356 - 03/11/08 11:12 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

just conversation i guess... your talkin about potency which is of great intrest to me :stoned: theres no doubt that ur experinced... im not tryin to put u down i just strongly disagree....

i thought u just said it was genetic... then the amount of nutes should not matter on the 2nd flush right? cause if they can go down shouldn't they increase as well?

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8131370 - 03/11/08 11:18 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

no.. the myc has a potency "peak", if you will, for the sub strain.. with any given sub strain, it can only be so strong.. but when its expecting 10 parts nutes, and it only gets 4, you can see how the myc wouldnt be working at peak capacity...

think of a mug of beer... there is only so much delicious beer you can fit in the mug... its great and smooth from top to bottom... its working at peak efficiency for the mug...

but take half that beer away from every mug you drink... still should be as potent, as its still the same size, and the same beer, but there is half the beer.. less beer, less drunk...

its the same thing.. kinda.. lol.. I wanna a beer

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8131458 - 03/11/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

damn.. I thought someone would have found that analogy amusing... :sad:

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: smokedout420]
    #8131617 - 03/11/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

30 grams of fresh mushrooms is like.. nothing

it'd prolly weigh out dry at like 2.5gs

you won't trip off of 3 grams if you've tripped recently


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
    #8131645 - 03/11/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yeah i wanna beer too:grin: its almost that time.....

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8131702 - 03/11/08 12:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

it wasnt just me.. you didnt read the post either.. cats who havent tripped in years ate them and laughed.. lol.. I did to, as I felt like a jackass...

Im sorry, but anybody who hasnt tripped recently, and eats 2 grams should feel something... the simple fact is, that 30 grams wet is enough for most people to have a decent trip.. no this time.. I got it covered now... thanks for the input...

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8131710 - 03/11/08 12:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

its been that time all morning.. haha... just cant seem to get anyone up off their lazy ass to have one with me... shit... im buying, and still no one wakes up.. my friends are lazy as fuck...

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8131720 - 03/11/08 12:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

actually
i did read the post/s

but my point is, 30 grams wet isn't enough for just about anyone to trip man

it's like this, in all truth your stomach really can't even digest mushrooms
so when you eat 30 grams of fresh mushrooms, which seems like alot, because it is alot to eat (practically a full meal)
prolly about half of it gets PROCESSED
(not digested, so there is alot wasted)
in an hour, which would be about a grams worth
(not enough to trip).


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
    #8131883 - 03/11/08 01:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Coir lacks in Nitrogen, supposedly the thing that helps boost potency. I don't buy it. The only reason people do use coir is because of it's moisture capacity. It lacks in nitrogen.

*Coco Coir has some anti-fungal properties that help plants to get rid of soil borne diseases. It inhibits pathogens like Pithium.

*Contains significant amounts of phosphorous (10-50ppm) and potassium (150-450 ppm).

*The compressed medium expands eight to nine times, rewetting is easier than peat without the addition of any wetting agents.

*The nitrogen draw down index for coir is lower than most composted materials.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
    #8131937 - 03/11/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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30 grams of fresh mushrooms is like.. nothing

it'd prolly weigh out dry at like 2.5gs

you won't trip off of 3 grams if you've tripped recently




dude, u guys r growing weeek ass shrooms,

my peoples r getting off on 1gram or less.. WTF?

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8131944 - 03/11/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Coir lacks in Nitrogen, supposedly the thing that helps boost potency. I don't buy it. The only reason people do use coir is because of it's moisture capacity. It lacks in nitrogen.

*Coco Coir has some anti-fungal properties that help plants to get rid of soil borne diseases. It inhibits pathogens like Pithium.

*Contains significant amounts of phosphorous (10-50ppm) and potassium (150-450 ppm).

*The compressed medium expands eight to nine times, rewetting is easier than peat without the addition of any wetting agents.

*The nitrogen draw down index for coir is lower than most composted materials.




dumbfounded, when you buy coir from a hydroponics shop you get those listings, when you buy coir from the pet store, it's a different type...

i think i stated in my way back post, that if you add LOTS OF (N) containing byproducts, you wont lack in anything.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: anarchOi]
    #8131947 - 03/11/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

anarchOi said:
actually
i did read the post/s

but my point is, 30 grams wet isn't enough for just about anyone to trip man

it's like this, in all truth your stomach really can't even digest mushrooms
so when you eat 30 grams of fresh mushrooms, which seems like alot, because it is alot to eat (practically a full meal)
prolly about half of it gets PROCESSED
(not digested, so there is alot wasted)
in an hour, which would be about a grams worth
(not enough to trip).




bullshit, i was an "erasure head" last year, and i wigged absolute nuts off 15grams of WET shrooms, u guys, are growing, weeeeek assss shrooms.. like i said.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: jeetered]
    #8131950 - 03/11/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

lol, people usually trip on a half eigth or less of mine
but that's because i use cow poo now

but when i was growing from cakes, etc
the potency was probably alot less and i had trouble tripping on up to 50gs

but to be honest, i don't eat them fresh anymore and haven't since my first or second grow


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