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MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir
    #8128686 - 03/10/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

ok.. I am using straight coir... the first flush was bountiful and very potent, like always... the 2nd flush, however produce massive fruits, that were not strong at all... I at 30 grams wet and didnt feel anything..

I know I ran out of nutes... could I dunk them in coffee water to prep for the second flush, so that they are actually potent again? if not, then what should I do? like I said.. the first flush was awesome and strong... hit you like a ton of bricks.. 2nd flush off the same casing, garbage...

suggestions?

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128700 - 03/10/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

How soon did you eat the second flush after eating the first? You build up tolerance to psilocybin pretty fast.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: mariodiet]
    #8128714 - 03/10/08 06:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

well.. it wasnt just me.. it was everyone.. and I mean all my friends came over and chowed down on an oz, and no one felt anything at all..

it was for sure nutes... I just need to know what to dunk them in to remedy this... will adding coffee to it help with later flushes?

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128734 - 03/10/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If it was mutlispore go ahead and accept that not all fruits are created equal and move on. You can dunk in whatever you want and let us know how it goes. And if they're growing monster mushrooms...how exactly is the substrate out of nutrients?

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128735 - 03/10/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

im not sure that dunking in coffee will help at all, but im sure it will help up the risk of contamination, since your cake will now be coated in nutrients, it will give mold something to grow from on the outside of your cake. :shrug:

try it out. the worst that will happen is youll lose the cake. experimentation is how this place has come as far as it has.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #8128749 - 03/10/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm, this doesn't really make much sense..the only thing I can think of is genetics, but that would mean they should have a relatively close potency to the first flush. Maybe not though, dunk and see how the third flush does.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #8128761 - 03/10/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

water has more to do with making large fruits.. nutes play a large roll in the size, but they play a huge roll in making them strong in latter flushes.. if they eat all the nutes in the 1st flush, there wont be as many in the 2nd .. at least to my understanding

this is a B+ isolate that I have been using for months.. so I know it is strong... Im not a rook, and have been growing for a while now..

just need to know what some of the experts think would help in later flushes...

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #8128763 - 03/10/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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If it was mutlispore go ahead and accept that not all fruits are created equal and move on. You can dunk in whatever you want and let us know how it goes. And if they're growing monster mushrooms...how exactly is the substrate out of nutrients?




MS has nothing to do with potency or lack there of. if the first flush was potent and later flushes are not, it suggests lack of nutrients. this is why you can grow the same strain from the same MS to LC and then onto different substrates and have different potencies within the same MS syringe. STRAW, POO, WBS, RYE, COIR, they all have different nutes and different outcomes as far as potency.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128769 - 03/10/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

im done with that grow.. i just started fruiting 3 more casings last night.. we will see in a week what happens... its for sure not genetics, that is why I am so baffled at the difference in potency...

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128777 - 03/10/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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water has more to do with making large fruits.. nutes play a large roll in the size, but they play a huge roll in making them strong in latter flushes.. if they eat all the nutes in the 1st flush, there wont be as many in the 2nd .. at least to my understanding

this is a B+ isolate that I have been using for months.. so I know it is strong... Im not a rook, and have been growing for a while now..

just need to know what some of the experts think would help in later flushes...




IMO you need to add more variety in your substrate, coir works as it has some nutes, but it isnt the best when it comes to nutes. when i used to grow i did not have alot of success with straight coir as a substrate. the nutes get sucked out rather quickly, which is why they make a good casing too. try going 50/50 coir/poo or coir/rye or coir/WBS. coir/poo being the best from most peoples experience around here. nothing beats poo.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128778 - 03/10/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yeah.. I am using straight coir, and it has been absolutely flawless, until the potency issue.. we will see in this next grow what will happen...

but any more suggestions on how to dunk and give nutes?

I never have really had a problem with contams because I am vverrryy clean... so I dont think that will cause a problem if I dunk in something..

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128790 - 03/10/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah.. I am using straight coir, and it has been absolutely flawless, until the potency issue.. we will see in this next grow what will happen...

but any more suggestions on how to dunk and give nutes?

I never have really had a problem with contams because I am vverrryy clean... so I dont think that will cause a problem if I dunk in something..




give it a try then, let us know what happens.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128793 - 03/10/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I dont like messing with shit anymore.. lol.. that why I am using coir... im going to try and add some coffee and maybe a few cups of brf or something in the next batch that I prepare.. and I will try to dunk these after the first flush.. I will sterilize some coffee grinds that I get from my girls work, and maybe boil it in water, then let the water cool, and dunk in that....

Im still open to suggestions about what to dunk it in

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128810 - 03/10/08 07:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

could I grind hella wbs and mix it in with the coir before I lay it out in the fruiting trays? like maybe 4 cups ground wbs per brick of coir?

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8128818 - 03/10/08 07:19 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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If it was mutlispore go ahead and accept that not all fruits are created equal and move on. You can dunk in whatever you want and let us know how it goes. And if they're growing monster mushrooms...how exactly is the substrate out of nutrients?




MS has nothing to do with potency or lack there of. if the first flush was potent and later flushes are not, it suggests lack of nutrients. this is why you can grow the same strain from the same MS to LC and then onto different substrates and have different potencies within the same MS syringe. STRAW, POO, WBS, RYE, COIR, they all have different nutes and different outcomes as far as potency.



you are wrong. with a MS inocculation each mushroom that grows from it can have different genetics. thats why pinsets can be so uneven and why mushies from the same flush will vary in size so much. with out isolating you can not narrow something specific down except for genetics.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: xdaveman]
    #8128821 - 03/10/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

which is exactly why I isolate :thumbup:

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8128868 - 03/10/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

well i guess it is not genetics then. i think trying to put more nutrients into it now is a bad idea. i have never tried but i believe you will have to incubate it again so the mycelium can take in the nutrients which will open the door for contams. it might be a better idea to just start a new batch if they were that bad. next time add some used coffee grounds or worm castings to the original mix. thats about the only thing i can think of.

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: xdaveman]
    #8128884 - 03/10/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

ok.. for sure.. Im still going to try and dunk them, just because if i dont, I will just throw them out anyway... its a cool experiment.. I will try and post my results...

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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: xdaveman]
    #8128955 - 03/10/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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BlargIAmDead said:
If it was mutlispore go ahead and accept that not all fruits are created equal and move on. You can dunk in whatever you want and let us know how it goes. And if they're growing monster mushrooms...how exactly is the substrate out of nutrients?




MS has nothing to do with potency or lack there of. if the first flush was potent and later flushes are not, it suggests lack of nutrients. this is why you can grow the same strain from the same MS to LC and then onto different substrates and have different potencies within the same MS syringe. STRAW, POO, WBS, RYE, COIR, they all have different nutes and different outcomes as far as potency.



you are wrong. with a MS inocculation each mushroom that grows from it can have different genetics. thats why pinsets can be so uneven and why mushies from the same flush will vary in size so much. with out isolating you can not narrow something specific down except for genetics.




never heard of non potent mushrooms comming from MS. maybe im wrong in that aspect, but thats not the problem here, as the first flush was potent.


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Re: MAJOR loss of potnecy on the 2nd flush on coir [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #8129291 - 03/10/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

try adding worm casting to the next batch. just when you pasteurize make sure to put in a turkey tin and spray water with a spray bottle then pasteurize in the oven just make a tad bit over field compas. unless you like to pasteurize in qt jars with lid on.

last time i done 50/50 worm casting/coir to a quart of colonized wbs. then cased in 70/30 coir/verm

hope that helps. some recommend peat over coir when it comes to casing.

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