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Clarity
    #8125109 - 03/09/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Does it exist as a permanent state of being?


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Clarity [Re: Lion]
    #8125118 - 03/09/08 08:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

possibly, especially in death, but personally i would have to say no

i had been in such a clear, literally, vision, mind, body (feelings), crystal clear state since the end of december. and it all came crashing down and now i am not seeing/feeling things the way i was during that ~3 month high

however, i trust [hope] that once i climb back up again i will see things as clearly, if not moreso, than before.


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Re: Clarity [Re: demiu5]
    #8125237 - 03/09/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:heart:

The endless wave...

What brought you out of that state?

For me it's usually something small, expectations unfulfilled begin to snowball into a sense of loss of personal power, which leads to giving in to old habits and what not.  I'm thinking deeply right now about how to turn it around.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Clarity [Re: Lion]
    #8125431 - 03/09/08 09:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

no
the states of mind or consciousness are distinguished by degree of image (*) persistence or layering,
from low persistence when sharply awake to long persistence for multilayered dreaming and being richly entheogenized.

basic clarity involves awareness of your self
this is a fluid thing not a state of mind or consciousness, although it is a mode of conducting oneself, or a bit of attitude,
and it can be cultivated and applied during any of the states of mind (from sharply awake to intensely dreamy).

sophisticated clarity, involves wisdom which is slowly acquired by the active mind. it is more related to what might be suitable at any particular moment - like open minded judgement.

basic clarity is cultivated, but you might get sneak previews of this kind of self awareness after a breakdown or intense psychedelic experience, however, if it is not accompanied by insight (related to observing mind regularly and earnestly) it will drift off as effortlessly as it arrived.


image (*) I used the word image but any mental activity can be used, sensory feed, memory recall, visual auditory, tactile, mixed etc.


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Re: Clarity [Re: Lion]
    #8125539 - 03/09/08 10:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Lion said:
:heart:

The endless wave...

What brought you out of that state?

For me it's usually something small, expectations unfulfilled begin to snowball into a sense of loss of personal power, which leads to giving in to old habits and what not.  I'm thinking deeply right now about how to turn it around.




a lot of plans, some confirmed, some not, that all fell through within a 5 day period, as well as some issues that arose with friends

which i then decided to turn to opiates so i didn't have to deal with it all for 4 days of the last 10, tripped 2 others, and got drunk 2 or 3 others, heh


edit:  basically acting like a child who couldn't get his way.  after waking up from opiated sleep this morning and being further disappointed from the one (planned) thing that could have somewhat salvaged my break, something clicked and i was starting to accept what happened and let it roll off my back


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Edited by demius (03/09/08 10:17 PM)

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Re: Clarity [Re: demiu5]
    #8125662 - 03/09/08 10:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Clarity comes to me easier when i am with people and their actions can give hints to the nature of reality. When I am alone, it is much easier to get confused or distracted. That is one of my complaints about this technological society we live in, seems people spend less time with each other (yes I realize the hypocrisy of saying this on an internet message board)


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Re: Clarity [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8125702 - 03/09/08 10:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, man, I feel the same way. When I'm with others in a comfortable and open environment there is usually a great deal of warmth and joy emanating from me. When I'm alone I spend a lot of time with my dissatisfied side..

The greatest barriers to clarity can be little things like eating too much, or big things like intense physical pain. Why do I have this constant pain?? Will it ever go away??


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Clarity [Re: Lion]
    #8125713 - 03/09/08 10:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Damn man, physical pain is a big one for me. I would give away all my belongings if I could go to a retreat for a week and just get massaged all day and spend some time in a sensory deprivation tank. My only answer to that is remaining positive and not focusing on the pain. It can be a challenge at times.


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Re: Clarity [Re: Lion]
    #8126178 - 03/10/08 02:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if it is possible to achieve a constant state of clarity (of the mind, whatever your interpretation of true clarity is), but I know I am nowhere near a constant. I often catch myself dwelling on things, whether small or large, often unimportant, and it distracts me from more worthwhile pursuits, and leaves me feeling foggy. Smoking weed doesn't help either, but for the few hours a week that I'm high, I feel more lucid-minded than usual, at the cost of a reoccuring (slight) numbing of my mental abilities. :gethigh:

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Re: Clarity [Re: Cameron]
    #8126184 - 03/10/08 02:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Faith. Let's make it the shit.


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Re: Clarity [Re: Lion]
    #8126844 - 03/10/08 09:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If the causes and conditions of clarity are present then clarity will arise.


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my wick will burn out.
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Re: Clarity [Re: psyka]
    #8126902 - 03/10/08 10:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Without any clarification of what those causes and conditions are, that is a meaningless statement.  If the causes and conditions for anything are present, that thing will arise. :shrug:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Clarity [Re: Lion]
    #8126916 - 03/10/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Does it exist as a permanent state of being?"

Since logically speaking, nothing is permanent then the answer is no.

But since, I'm sure you're speaking about right here and now, then I say yes. Clarity arises when the personality ceases and you stop clouding your mind with how you want reality to be and become an active observer. Ignorance (not knowing) and ego-central thinking are what cause delusion (belief that you are your personality) to arise and thus cloud our perception from seeing things as they are... impersonal (wisdom).

And by the way, I answered your question in my first post with more detail then what was asked.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.


Edited by psyka (03/10/08 10:29 AM)

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